Author Topic: Weather sealed Micro Four Thirds camera next? (Read 3187 times)

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #25 on:** December 26, 2011, 06:06:42 PM »

You could add $500. since, if they did make it, they would make a limited number anyway..a most likely a separate model.

RT_Panther · « **Reply #26 on:** December 26, 2011, 06:45:31 PM »

Quote from: M5-User on December 26, 2011, 06:06:42 PM

You could add $500. since, if they did make it, they would make a limited number anyway..a most likely a separate model.

Yeah...
I was thinking $1600ish myself too....

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2011, 07:13:58 PM »

I think it should be with yellow trim, and special, larger yellow grip.....like a water proof camera

voyager · « **Reply #28 on:** December 27, 2011, 07:10:29 PM »

$1600? They're not that crazy.

I hope.

jap · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:43:55 PM »

Quote from: lisandra link=topic=7157.msg65139#msg65139 date=1324540895
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I remember years ago being caught in a sudden downpour at a beauty pageant in Saint Kitts in the West Indies at night. With virtually no where to find adequate protection, I was drenched. Even though I tried my best to protect the camera and lens in my hands, I could not avoid having them get soaked either.

come on now... A sudden downpour? You didn't have a camera bag? There was NOWHERE go ? No building? No car? Did the pageant go on after the fact that it started pouring suddenly ? It probably didn't. A weathersealed camera bag would have done the job fine. And that's the whole point of what I'm saying, when you buy a weather sealed camera its because what you're doing requires you to continue shooting after the fact that it starts downpouring/blizzarding/whatever.
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I don't know what your issue with my situation is. This is an event that happened decades ago. This was my very first camera---the Olympus OM-2n, which I bought in October of 1980 and used fairly frequently, especially on weekends, until my trip to Saint Kitts with friends two months later during Xmas, 1980.

You have problems believing in sudden downpours on moonless nights? I have gotten caught in a few of them over the years. I'm 53 years old.

No camera bag? My "camera bag" was an undedicated leather shoulder bag which I used until I decided to get my first real camera bag. It was difficult to shove the camera back in that bag (which contained no dedicated holders for bodies or lenses) while being pressed by so many people in skin-to-skin human contact. I was not worried about a little rain, but I had never had my new camera exposed to such a deluge before. I knew it was supposed to be resistant to rain but was unsure how well those bold marketing claims would hold up to real extreme weather.

No car? No---the park where the pageant was held was centrally located and within easy walking distance. No cars were necessary, and almost everyone walked to the event as far as I saw.

No building or close-by shelter? Not really---because the streets were jammed with the hundreds of other attendees who were all getting soaked like myself and my friends. Not very many found shelter that night. The closest buildings were either commercial/government structures, which were closed for the evening, or the closest private dwellings, which were available only to intimates.

Did the pageant go on? Of course not! However, the rains came conveniently just about the time the pageant was wrapping up.

The point is your point about the uses of buying weather=sealed cameras is irrelevant here because I was talking about an early camera user with his very first camera caught in his very first extreme weather condition. The planning for camera bags or even systematic photographic equipment buying lay in the future---the near future but still the future. I was not slamming your or anyone else's points: just pointing out why I have become somewhat finicky about buying only weather-resistant/sealed camera bodies/lenses. I really don't see why you were going on as though you disbelieved me.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #30 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:07:25 PM »

Surprised Lisandra said that, living in the Sub-Tropics and all.. where a Downpour (Sun Shower) can start with the Sun Shinning and all.... I lived in S. Florida (not too far north where Lisandra lives), and we had plenty of "Sun Showers" that came and went in a 20min time span... very little warning.. if any....

Anyway, for some, weather sealed is a blessing... heck, I like going out in the rain with my G3,... But, I stay in my truck, and will roll down a window if I can.... or just shoot through it...

Although, I may never buy a weather sealed camera... maybe a weather bag made for photography..... much cheaper.... not as versatile, but cheaper,,

jap · « **Reply #31 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:17:17 PM »

Quote from: M5-User on December 28, 2011, 02:07:25 PM

Surprised Lisandra said that, living in the Sub-Tropics and all.. where a Downpour (Sun Shower) can start with the Sun Shinning and all.... I lived in S. Florida (not too far north where Lisandra lives), and we had plenty of "Sun Showers" that came and went in a 20min time span... very little warning.. if any....

I suspect our Caribbean queen was more focused on making her point about why buyers purchased weather-sealed cameras. I jumped into the discussion remembering vividly why I am so biased towards weather sealing/resistance and was trying to push that point. So we probably were unintentionally working at cross purposes.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #32 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:23:22 PM »

our carribean macro queen makes some valid points imho

having said that weather seals and dust seals [ is there really a diffeerence?] are a great feasture, and should be standard on all better cameras from enthusiast to "pro"

just common courtesy from the maker to the user, we are talkin a few gaskets here, or am i missin something

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #33 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:34:15 PM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on December 28, 2011, 02:23:22 PM

our carribean macro queen makes some valid points imho

Yes, Indeed, as Sports Photographers will need one because the game (Football or other sport) many times will not be delayed because of a light rain or snow, or shooting Winter Olympics requires one many times...Also any sport that is ON the water and you are a chaser boat taking pictures...

I think a bag that is weather proof will work fine, Domke and others make a built in "Rain Coat" that you can wrap over the bag when needed...

jap · « **Reply #34 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:35:27 PM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on December 28, 2011, 02:23:22 PM

our carribean macro queen makes some valid points imho having said that weather seals and dust seals [ is there really a diffeerence?] are a great feasture, and should be standard on all better cameras from enthusiast to "pro"

just common courtesy from the maker to the user, we are talkin a few gaskets here, or am i missin something

There is never gonna be an argument from me on that score. I just believe in being ready for anything, the elements notwithstanding. I know some camera users never venture outside in inclement weather. However, inclement weather tends to provide some of the most unusual and interesting lighting. It's a reason to step out---not stay in Of course, it helps to know how to protect yourself against said elements.

lisandra · « **Reply #35 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:54:10 PM »

Its not that I dont believe you jap, it did happened to you, but its just that a highly unprobable set of events that can be avoided a number of different ways is not an excuse to say we need something. Im not trying to be mean or anything, Im not trying to attack anyone either, Im just saying theres a big difference between want and need and most of the time we make excuses for the stuff we want to make it seem like we need it. I do ot all the time. I used to always complain how I didnt have a weather sealed camera and then a fellow photographer asked me why I needed it so bad, it got me thinking real hard. I also believe in being ready for anything, but unless I need to keep shooting in that inclement weather for a long period of time, a weather sealed camera bag will more than suffice.

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and should be standard on all better cameras from enthusiast to "pro"

just common courtesy from the maker to the user, we are talkin a few gaskets here, or am i missin something

I agree, it should be standard on every SLR and not be charged 600$ for it and be called a specialty feature. Im not against weater sealing, Im against the marketing and hype behind it. im against camera makers charging quite a premium for a few gaskets and then do commercials to fool people into thinking that they should pay that premium because disaster will undoubtedly befall them if they dont.

For rainy macro shots i put a plastic bag over the camera

jap · « **Reply #36 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:17:36 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on December 28, 2011, 03:54:10 PM

Its not that I dont believe you jap, it did happened to you, but its just that a highly unprobable set of events that can be avoided a number of different ways is not an excuse to say we need something. Im not trying to be mean or anything, Im not trying to attack anyone either, Im just saying theres a big difference between want and need and most of the time we make excuses for the stuff we want to make it seem like we need it. I do ot all the time. I used to always complain how I didnt have a weather sealed camera and then a fellow photographer asked me why I needed it so bad, it got me thinking real hard. I also believe in being ready for anything, but unless I need to keep shooting in that inclement weather for a long period of time, a weather sealed camera bag will more than suffice.

Well, for what it's worth I don't argue that I need weather sealing: I simply insist on it for my own shooting biases. Thanks to that early experience, I feel completely comfortable shooting in the rain/snow/sleet/whatever, and only exercise extra caution when changing lenses/batteries during those conditions. I think I see what you were driving at but, beyond a certain point, shouldn't all marketing people be shot anyway?

It looks like I won't get my Pro Pen after all but something else that is arguably better if the Hasselblad/Rollei-esque sketches are to be believed. Just give me back that multi-spot metering functionality and I will behave myself . . . at least for a little while.

lisandra · « **Reply #37 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:51:25 PM »

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I simply insist on it for my own shooting biases

Absolutely understandable, Im just reeeeeally scared of what olympus is gonna charge for a pro pen with a view finder and weather sealing....could you imagine a PEN for 1400$? yikes!!

jap · « **Reply #38 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:19:46 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on December 28, 2011, 04:51:25 PM

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I simply insist on it for my own shooting biases

Absolutely understandable, Im just reeeeeally scared of what olympus is gonna charge for a pro pen with a view finder and weather sealing....could you imagine a PEN for 1400$? yikes!!

I don't know if we will see a Pro Pen. The latest rumors indicate Oly may be moving beyond that to something new, something innovative. (See http://mirrorlessforum.com/microfourthirds-rumors/3783-olympus-patent-discloses-%93hasselblad%94-alike-camera.html).

RT_Panther · « **Reply #39 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:21:10 PM »

Quote from: voyager on December 27, 2011, 07:10:29 PM

$1600? They're not that crazy.

I hope.

The E-5 is $1600 or so....
And if you compare to Four Thirds, Micro Four Thirds isn't necessarily cheaper all of the time.

$1600 IMHO is a realistic "guesstimate".....

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #40 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:22:54 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on December 28, 2011, 04:51:25 PM

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I simply insist on it for my own shooting biases

Absolutely understandable, Im just reeeeeally scared of what olympus is gonna charge for a pro pen with a view finder and weather sealing....could you imagine a PEN for 1400$? yikes!!

I bet the marketing can...

But, it is a limited market... let's believe they are smarter than that

$1000 tops, and it will fly off the shelf's.... $200 more for weather sealing in more than fair.. it can't cost more than a $100 in production cost...

Ummmm, well, a redesigned body/mount to allow for gaskets... OK, maybe a bit more... but, $1200 is the consumer limit for a Pro Pen... really......

voyager · « **Reply #41 on:** December 28, 2011, 10:31:24 PM »

If they do medium format, it won't be part of the PEN series.

jap · « **Reply #42 on:** December 28, 2011, 11:08:56 PM »

Quote from: voyager on December 28, 2011, 10:31:24 PM

If they do medium format, it won't be part of the PEN series.

Well, I don't know what they are coming with. Hiowever, if it is medium format, I hope it's the most portable medium format ever released, with the sharpest lenses ever in the format.

Gillymaru · « **Reply #43 on:** December 29, 2011, 01:29:28 AM »

Any weatherproof camera Olympus produces will have a built in EVF. Add that to the cost of weatherproofing and the extra features this range topping camera is sure to have over and above an EP3 and a figure of $1500 is not unreasonable.
How well it will sell depends on if it has the ability to deliver good performance with 4/3 lenses (doubtful) or if it has some revolutionary viewfinder and image quality.
Panasonic already produce great cameras with built in EVFs so to just charge $500 for weatherproofing would not be such a great move on Olympus' part.

lisandra · « **Reply #44 on:** December 29, 2011, 12:47:50 PM »

I know a guy who can weather seal any Canon for less than 50$ with home made gaskets. He says that once the mold is done, the gaskets themselves cost about 30$ tops. He also says sealing hinged lcds is a challenge.

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