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So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« on: January 05, 2012, 01:28:40 PM »
What about the camera WON'T make you buy it?
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 01:32:21 PM »
sos syndrome [ same ol sensor] dumbed down buttons dials non direct control of iso.........all deal  breakers for me

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 01:37:25 PM »
The sensor upgrade must be worthwhile and they must have fixed the limitation that prevents you from using live histogram, level gauge and/or small focus point simultaneously.

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 01:44:27 PM »
Agreed:

IT MUST be for an enthusiast, not a succor Mom (read that somewhere  ;))

IE: Dials, What happened to the top LCD for at least metering info?
Buttons must haves: ISO/WB/Meter/Meter Lock-- buttons,

IT CAN'T have a 4-way that is too high on the back... my "Don't Like" thing
AND: no room to place your fingers while holding it.... A thumb rest is needed to keep it from slipping onto the 4-way and changing things unaware for a few photo's
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 01:48:11 PM »
What about the camera WON'T make you buy it?
If it is not significantly better than the GH2 or is without a very special feature--a breakthrough in using 4/3 lenses, for example--I won't look twice. Beyond a new sensor which goes without saying, incremental improvements are not enough. Let's hope Olympus has something up their sleeve. 
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 02:59:46 PM »
According to getolympus tech talk today the latest generation of Pen camera's focus faster with 4/3 lenses than the 4/3 bodies do.

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Our new cameras (E-P3, E-PL3 and E-PM1) are actually focusing faster with the 4/3 lenses then the 4/3 bodies do!
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Specifically, the "Imager" lenses focus faster.  Problem is Continuous AF tracking does not work with 4/3 lenses.  >:(
« Last Edit: January 05, 2012, 03:02:43 PM by count_zero »

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 06:41:15 PM »
simply put, Fuji has already made this camera obsolete. I KNOW oly will do only minor changes and call them big (because they actually think they are) and then charge over 1000$ for it body only. So if its 1200$ with that slow kit lens (but its weather sealed!! ::)) and will probably use the same 12 mp sensor (or the now 1 year old 15mp panasonic if were extremely lucky), why not save 300$ more and buy the fuji with a fast prime??
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 08:43:11 PM »
the x 10 is the luxury compact  of the x line ...small sensor but fast zoom  the new pro would need a 5 pound lens to deliver  a 28-112mm f 2 to f 2.8 fov in an apsc lens

so right now the x 10 is the only small fast zoom  in the x fuji universe the new pro will be a prime only shooter for the time being

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 10:17:46 PM »
If it doesn't deliver much more than my EP3 and VF2 why would I want to buy it? Weatherproofing? Nope.
It needs improved image quality, faster autofocus and a improved viewfinder to even get my attention. If it has improved compatibility with 4/3 lenses then I am buying it for certain
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 11:27:25 PM »
mo matter how good this is and how successful it is a fully believe micro 4\3 is a worthy system , i own lots of panny and oly equipmentand will continue to upgrade bodies as better sensor s become available

but im keeping both systems

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 06:13:35 AM »
I could only see myself choosing it over the Fuji X-Pro1 if it is essentially the same camera but in m4/3 format, and several hundred bucks cheaper.

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 10:55:58 AM »
Here's a thought from another forum:

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I am highly sceptical of electronic view finders. For the occasional user it might not be a problem, but for the pro, or the serious hobbyist, who spends hours at a time, day in, day out, with the camera to your eye, this is a big dangerous unknown!

There has been zero testing to find out if putting your eye an inch away from a mini computer monitor does not damage your vision! Or absorb radiation or EMFs that could cause eye or brain tumours!
Sony's 3D glasses that go with their new 3D TVs have been already shown to trigger epileptic seizures in people with epilepsy, and may cause people with dormant epilepsy to manifest as full blown epilepsy. They cause headaches in many people who have put the 3D glasses on even for only a short period of time. Why? Because they cycle at the same number of hertz as the TVs do (that is the whole point of the battery within the glasses). Sony has not thought about health issues with their 3D TVs and glasses, why would their cameras be any different?


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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 11:03:35 AM »
I could only see myself choosing it over the Fuji X-Pro1 if it is essentially the same camera but in m4/3 format, and several hundred bucks cheaper.

If you already have the 12, 20 and 45 mm lenses (like I do), switching to an equivalent Fuji setup will be very expensive. Way too expensive for my budget. And who knows which camera maker will be the next to leapfrog Fuji? I can't afford to switch camera systems every other year.

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 11:21:06 AM »
I could only see myself choosing it over the Fuji X-Pro1 if it is essentially the same camera but in m4/3 format, and several hundred bucks cheaper.

That is my thinking also.... an m4/3 version for  the most part.

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 11:22:01 AM »
Here's a thought from another forum:

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I am highly sceptical of electronic view finders. For the occasional user it might not be a problem, but for the pro, or the serious hobbyist, who spends hours at a time, day in, day out, with the camera to your eye, this is a big dangerous unknown!...

:o  ::)  ;D
Well, I know that decades of using an OVF has altered the vision in my shooting eye. The EVF has been around for less time but does not have any known radiation problems; I have used one since 1998 with-with-with-without any-any-any ill effects. The EVF is definitely the future and I expect the E-5 is my last OVF.
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 04:52:21 PM »
:o  ::)  ;D
Well, I know that decades of using an OVF has altered the vision in my shooting eye. The EVF has been around for less time but does not have any known radiation problems; I have used one since 1998 with-with-with-without any-any-any ill effects. The EVF is definitely the future and I expect the E-5 is my last OVF.

Good to know I can keep my VF-2 then without any worries.... ;)
That being said, I kinda like Fuji's hybird over a pure EVF...... :)

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 08:10:21 PM »
the hybrid vf rules

the fuji pro will have gen 2 of this  with an optical vf that is useful at other focal lengths than 23mm[35 equiv]  it will probabley be a step rather than zoom for 18 35 and 60 ,and possibly 23 which everyone wants

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 09:00:12 PM »
I could only see myself choosing it over the Fuji X-Pro1 if it is essentially the same camera but in m4/3 format, and several hundred bucks cheaper.

That is my thinking also.... an m4/3 version for  the most part.

I wish there was a Leak somewhere  :)
you're being optimistic, there's no way in hell Fuji will give oly a 4/3s version of their shiny new full frame killer. Unless they end up buying oly...chances are oly will release a weather sealed camera with an out dated bayer design and a somewhat innovative vf but nothing to write home about.
More megapixels don't necessarily mean more resolution...

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2012, 01:10:42 AM »
the queen is likely correct about this ,    btw.... that hdr is blowing my mind  8)

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2012, 01:57:41 AM »
I could only see myself choosing it over the Fuji X-Pro1 if it is essentially the same camera but in m4/3 format, and several hundred bucks cheaper.

That is my thinking also.... an m4/3 version for  the most part.

I wish there was a Leak somewhere  :)
you're being optimistic, there's no way in hell Fuji will give oly a 4/3s version of their shiny new full frame killer. Unless they end up buying oly...chances are oly will release a weather sealed camera with an out dated bayer design and a somewhat innovative vf but nothing to write home about.

I don't think it will have the organic sensor, I was just saying that would be the only reason for me to buy it. If it is just a slightly improved E-P3 with a VF, I won't bother. Even if it has better IQ than the GX1 and the G3 I won't bother.

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2012, 02:32:06 AM »
I could only see myself choosing it over the Fuji X-Pro1 if it is essentially the same camera but in m4/3 format, and several hundred bucks cheaper.

That is my thinking also.... an m4/3 version for  the most part.

I wish there was a Leak somewhere  :)
you're being optimistic, there's no way in hell Fuji will give oly a 4/3s version of their shiny new full frame killer. Unless they end up buying oly...chances are oly will release a weather sealed camera with an out dated bayer design and a somewhat innovative vf but nothing to write home about.

I don't think it will have the organic sensor, I was just saying that would be the only reason for me to buy it. If it is just a slightly improved E-P3 with a VF, I won't bother. Even if it has better IQ than the GX1 and the G3 I won't bother.

Fuji won't give sensors away. They will sell them. And they will need to sell sensors to other camera makers to fund the development, since the Fuji camera will be a niche product and not sell in huge numbers.

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 08:47:07 AM »
Fuji won't give sensors away. They will sell them. And they will need to sell sensors to other camera makers to fund the development, since the Fuji camera will be a niche product and not sell in huge numbers.

I have to disagree somewhat & to compare, I'll use Sigma/Foveon.  No other major camera maker uses the Foveon and yet still Sigma survives.

Fuji can survive without other customers purchasing its sensor..... :)

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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 09:31:33 AM »
New sensor (at least comparable to GX1) and very good IQ.
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2012, 10:49:29 AM »
Fuji won't give sensors away. They will sell them. And they will need to sell sensors to other camera makers to fund the development, since the Fuji camera will be a niche product and not sell in huge numbers.

I have to disagree somewhat & to compare, I'll use Sigma/Foveon.  No other major camera maker uses the Foveon and yet still Sigma survives.

Fuji can survive without other customers purchasing its sensor..... :)
but you're forgetting, sigma is the biggest third party lens maker in the world, who happens to make some cameras. Fuji does intend to sell their sensors but way down the line. I think thwy want to.see how well the pro x does. I think they'll be surprised as to how well it does
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Re: So if the new Olympus camera has a built in viewfinder
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2012, 11:00:43 AM »
but you're forgetting, sigma is the biggest third party lens maker in the world, who happens to make some cameras. Fuji does intend to sell their sensors but way down the line. I think thwy want to.see how well the pro x does. I think they'll be surprised as to how well it does

Fuji was doing just fine even prior to the X100 & GF 670....They have a HUGE Asian customer base.... :)

 

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