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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2011, 10:05:02 PM »
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You might think differently if it affected your reputation and that of your family. I will give no personal examples but this family photo was used without permission:
http://www.extraordinarymommy.com/are-you-kidding-me/stolen-picture/

I agree, it would be difficult to use that photo without permission if a tick ugly copyright note was placed all over the image, right over the faces of the family members.
For everyone who thinks this is ugly and destroys a photograph - there is always a chance for their image to end in an outdoor add on the other end of the world.
It ends being a matter of choice, doesn't it?
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2011, 10:10:07 PM »
This article is also interesting about copyright watermarking.

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By offering licensing to use the image, or making the image for sale in the form of a print on your website, you are evidencing actual financial value to the image on the site – and to any reproduction made by the image. This will, in the least, provide you with an argument against a proposed fair use defense that an infringer may have.


http://www.photosandthelaw.com/2009/07/14/the-internet-as-a-double-edged-sword/

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2011, 10:12:20 PM »
Fair use concerns open discussions, educational use, news covering, etc. AFIK fair use does not cover outdoor ads, magazine/media advertising, etc.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2011, 11:40:01 PM »
Can you prove in a court of law that you took the real image?  Probably, if you have the original RAW file, maybe even a TIFF, but not likely with JPEGs or PNGs etc...
I'm not aware if there have been actual cases around the world where it has been tried, but I would imagine if you have the camera original full sized jpeg, and they have a lower resolution web copy, that could be sufficient. Also you may have other similar shots taken at the same time which you did not post.

Then again, if someone steals your whole hard disk, bets are off. While I'm at it, do people here upload full resolution images to storage or hosting sites? Even if you don't expose the full resolution and allow the site to provide smaller output, a hack attack might expose those. So for me, I rarely post anything other than a medium resolution image unless it is specifically a test shot.

And as a side note, there is one other category which I don't think has been covered so far. It isn't direct theft of the image itself but it could still be used as a reference image by other forms of artist. I have one photo of a crow landing side on to camera, showing its wings nicely. This seems popular as a visual reference for painters (traditional or digital) and I get the occasional request for permission to use it as a reference, which I've not declined to date. I did get an anonymous tip off that there was one case of unauthorised use, and sure enough there was an obvious copy. I made contact and things were settled quickly and nicely. All I ask for is a reference credit so it isn't as if the bar is set high... for a more high profile example of this case, there was the Obama photo used as a painting reference I think that ended up in the courts. I'm not aware how that one ended.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2011, 12:00:20 AM »
I think the current poster child (pun intended) for stolen or misappropriated work is "Stolen Scream."  http://thestolenscream.com/

As for me, I insert © 2011 Doug Klassen into the EXIF of my pictures now and also place it discreetly on the lower corner of the images.  Short of defacing my pictures or putting them up so small/low res they look weaker than they already do there's not a lot else to be done.

I did have someone a few years ago hot linking to a motorcycle photo on my personal website and using the photo in his motorcycle blog.  I replaced the motorcycle photo with a nasty porn shot and waited to see how long it took him to notice.  Didn't take long and he deleted the photo and I deleted the shot from the folder on my site.  Funny thing is, if the guy had just found the photo, used it and given me photo or link back credit, I'd have been cool with that as he had a non-commercial site.   

I did find a commercial site in the UK that was using whole pages of content from my blog -- photos, text, the works, for their own "blog."   I e-mailed them and pointed out that they were violating US and UK copyright laws and please remove my material, which they did.  Had they ignored me the most I could have done was spread some ill will about them around the on-line motorcycle world.  I understand that to take a copyright case to court in the US runs about $10k just to get the ball rolling.

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2011, 03:52:49 PM »
THE PRINCIPLE IS THE SAME... Stop nit picking.... YOU did know what I meant...And so did everyone else.

The principle is not the same. Please ask any music publisher if digital music is the same as music on analogue media. Seems to me that they are suffering the difference, since now anyone can download music for free. Likewise digital video and film and, yes, photography.

The fact that an artist can choose to make 100 copies of their own work is in no way the same as the fact that someone who steals their work can make one million copies. I continue to be amazed you haven't noticed the difference. And how can this complete difference in kind be called "nit picking"? It is the very essence of the problem.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2011, 05:05:30 PM »
What is somebody going to make on a 600k file or for that matter a 1k file.  Not nearly large enough for serious printing large printing, I understand what you say, but I don't see how it applies to small files that can't be printed larger than 4x6 or 5x7.

Can a "Hot Linked" photo be worth that much to an advertiser?... other than small one time usage fee to the owner? It won't ever go to print, where the bigger fees are because the file is too small. I could put a watermark over the center of the image at 90% Opacity or less, so it is barely visible, but still visible.



I'm just saying don't upload large files, there is no reason to just for web viewing.. If you sell Online.. fine, you don't need a large to sell, and if you do, You can always have Password protected galleries for the client - like for Wedding Galleries-- But, I would not, I would insist on an order form to be filled out, and I would mail them the prints FedEx.

For Web Galleries... No larger than 900px on the long side. There is no reason to post larger than that for viewing imo.

I understand, that the "Principle" is important too.  If, you are selling your work online, than you need to protect that with a watermark, if you upload full-size files, and tell them theirs will be watermark free

And, yes, the legal issues are valid. Just avoid the risk by uploading really small files.







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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2011, 07:11:35 PM »
I've used services like dotphoto where you post a picture for web viewing and if someone wants to use it they can buy the full size tiff version.  Dotphoto will automatically puts a (c) logo across the picture, but I disable that because it's annoying and could detract from my sales.  It's personal preference in the end.  The watermark does little to protect your file beyond what it is already entitled to by the law.  I like what M5 does because its used more about self promotion rather than to deter someone from using the image illegally. Realistically, the only way you can find out if someone is using your photo illegally is if you catch them, and then its a simple matter of proving that you are the original photographer.  I'm sure if you went to court with the full size file and said see I am the owner, you would win the case with or without a watermark on the image.  The issue then becomes is your image considered 'fair use'.

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2011, 02:41:18 AM »
Yes, it is important to be aware of the exact facts and risks you take sharing images. Everyone needs to decide for themselves the level of exposure to these, based on perception. One cannot share images without risking something, and this does not have to be monetary as the case of the stolen family photo attests.

Me, I share decent-sized images but with a watermark band that someone could cut off if they really wanted to. I normally ask artists and others with little in the way of funds for a donation if they wish a license to the image, in which case I send a full-sized copy. I have also done work for hire and for full license. I suppose if I thought my photos were worthless or if I was employed I might think differently. In any case, I respect the decisions made by others in different circumstances.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2011, 12:55:52 AM »
Courts accept RAW files as evidence
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2011, 04:35:10 AM »
Courts accept RAW files as evidence

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2011, 11:20:09 AM »
i watermark, but i call it cheap advertising.  i have had pics stolen, really i don't care who uses what, just give me credit as the photographer. most people aren't making money off the pic but using it on a website or blog post.

i guess keeping the photo size small and the dpi low might help, but once it's uploaded to the internet, it's a wrap. consider it unprotected.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2011, 12:03:56 PM »
i watermark, but i call it cheap advertising.  i have had pics stolen, really i don't care who uses what, just give me credit as the photographer. most people aren't making money off the pic but using it on a website or blog post.

i guess keeping the photo size small and the dpi low might help, but once it's uploaded to the internet, it's a wrap. consider it unprotected.

Interesting way of looking at it for advertising.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2011, 08:25:24 PM »
I do not watermark.

I use flickr as my hosting site, but not as a "hey check me out I have a million views" social.  The images that are my most prized to me, I keep private.  My public images are mostly tests, FS items and my cats.

Funny, my most viewed image on flickr is that of a Rokinon Mirror lens mounted to my Canon 1DMKII...not exactly Earnst Haas material!


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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2011, 10:18:41 PM »
I started watermarking my stuff after I found several of my shots stolen by Christian fundamentalist creationism sites exposing the wonders of god in my sunrises. Now not only am I an atheist, but I am a firm believer in evolution and despite my following of Christianity or any other similar religion, I do strongly believe in the notion of "Thy shalt not steal". It is a pity that some who profess to be Christian are less than Christian as it devalues the good work and beliefs of many fine people.
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