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How protective are you of your photos?
« on: June 10, 2011, 11:39:24 PM »
Do you do things like watermark them, or make them as unusable to possible thieves as you can?

I've seen people go to what I think are ridiculous lengths to ensure that nobody steals their photos. Personally I don't care if people steal mine as I know they aren't the most likely to be stolen either way.

So what do you do with your photos? Do you not care? Or do you really care?
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2011, 11:44:54 PM »
I don't watermark anything. I find that annoying to the viewers.

There was a thread in a Bulgarian photo forum, of which I am no longer a member, that was about pictures of our homeland. The slogan was "Show us Bulgaria the way you want your children to see it". People started posting gorgeous landscapes, etc. and one guy posed a photo with so many copyright notes on it that there was no inch free of them. Annoyed to the limit I asked him if that is what he wanted his children to see their homeland - with copyright notes all over it. He didn't seem to understand.....
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2011, 05:40:11 AM »
I don't watermark any of mine. As a generalisation, I don't post high res output on the net (typical up to 1280 or less) so the loss potential is low anyway. Anything below that will be of limited use, and I don't mind "personal use" if someone really wants to. I do tend to leave exif intact, but I know that is easy to change so nothing strong in itself.

It does annoy me when some people think so highly of themselves they put a big intrusive watermark over the image, ruining anything they might have done as I stop looking at that point. Not saying you shouldn't, but at least do it in a low intrusive way e.g. by making it lower opactity so it is still visible but not so that it is all you can see.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2011, 07:12:28 AM »
Thats funny because I could have sworn I posted a reply here after popo's  ???

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2011, 06:48:56 PM »
Not a watermark over the image and as already said, it destroys the whole point of posting really. If it needs to be that highly watermarked, and protected, then don't post it on the net. I like a signature in either corner of a shot, but just one depending on the image. Its nice to know real names sometimes and that can help out there.

Just my opinion anyway and I would like to see more people do it that way to be honest.

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2011, 07:54:49 PM »
watermarks on stuff that gets published or corporate. everything else I reduce to 1500 pixels, usable only on the web, were everything gets stolen anyway
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2011, 05:58:22 AM »
Well, I put a watermark on my images and challenge the rabid anti-watermark folk here to tell me exactly how it destroys the image. The bulk of the surface is untouched -- it is no more distracting than everything else on the screen around the image.

Without a copyright I have absolutely no protection. That is the law. And, yes, I have had my images used without permission. Most of the time I give them away anyway, or kindly ask for a donation. but I have also properly licensed images for books, promotional material, websites, etc.

So many people do not understand that it is important to credit the photographer. So I put the credit directly on the image.

Back when all I took were snapshots things were different. But after investing so much into this activity, it would be nice to make enough back to at least pay the costs. The only way to do that is to a) disseminate my images so people can see them, b) tell people who made the image.

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2011, 07:34:14 AM »
I just put my name on a black frame that surrounds the image.... much like as an "Artist"  ;) would do.. But my stuff is no larger than 1024 on the long side.
It is more for using my real name, since I have several user names across several photography forums.

I don't like "Overlay" watermarks either.  No need really, unless it is a Full Size file.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 12:20:46 AM »
You don't have to put a watermark or (c) on your photo to have it copyrighted.  It is automatic since the Berne Convention.  If anything the "artist" style signature is probably best to give you some advertising credit.

http://www.photosecrets.com/photography-law-copyright.html


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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 12:30:52 AM »
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Well, I put a watermark on my images and challenge the rabid anti-watermark folk here to tell me exactly how it destroys the image. The bulk of the surface is untouched

It's perfectly fine if it stays near the edge. It is ugly and destroys the image if it's in the middle or near it. Or if it interacts with the compositionally important elements.

Do you like these images:





Well, I don't.

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You don't have to put a watermark or (c) on your photo to have it copyrighted.  It is automatic since the Berne Convention.

I believe that too. Never had to argue about improper usage of my images as nobody seems to like them that much  ;D
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2011, 01:17:49 AM »
Well I'm a webmaster of a website (see below) where I make use of a lot of pictures. The only way to protect them from theft is by watermarking them. Constantly websites are stealing them or hotlinking it.
I only watermark the original, not the thumbnails.
I think it is sad, but I have no other choice.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2011, 01:36:41 AM »
Well I'm a webmaster of a website (see below) where I make use of a lot of pictures. The only way to protect them from theft is by watermarking them. Constantly websites are stealing them or hotlinking it.
I only watermark the original, not the thumbnails.
I think it is sad, but I have no other choice.


Yes, hotlinking is definately a problem, especially if you have a lot of pictures, even some too big thumbnails arent safe.

This may be hotlinked though, no problem as its like a banner anyway
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2011, 04:24:31 AM »
You don't have to put a watermark or (c) on your photo to have it copyrighted.  It is automatic since the Berne Convention.  If anything the "artist" style signature is probably best to give you some advertising credit.

http://www.photosecrets.com/photography-law-copyright.html


That article is misleading. If it were true no works would bear copyright notices and yet they all do. Who is correct -- all the large software and publishing companies with their teams of lawyers? Or that author?

The truth is that works do gain copyright on creation. But in a court of law, you will have to prove that you did due diligence to protect your work. The minimum required is to state your copyright. Making a deposit of the item in a shared public and reputed third-party repository is also helpful.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2011, 04:26:42 AM »
I just put my name on a black frame that surrounds the image.... much like as an "Artist"  ;)

Unfortunately this makes it super-easy for someone to crop and steal your image. And there are many image sites who object to frames as an eyesore... even more so than a discrete copyright!

I previously used a small frame but had more complaints about that than the banner I use now.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2011, 05:21:39 AM »
You don't have to put a watermark or (c) on your photo to have it copyrighted.  It is automatic since the Berne Convention.  If anything the "artist" style signature is probably best to give you some advertising credit.

http://www.photosecrets.com/photography-law-copyright.html


That article is misleading. If it were true no works would bear copyright notices and yet they all do. Who is correct -- all the large software and publishing companies with their teams of lawyers? Or that author?

The truth is that works do gain copyright on creation. But in a court of law, you will have to prove that you did due diligence to protect your work. The minimum required is to state your copyright. Making a deposit of the item in a shared public and reputed third-party repository is also helpful.


Who has the money, time and mood to go to court, suing a website located in some far away country ?
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2011, 05:35:24 AM »
I just put my name on a black frame that surrounds the image.... much like as an "Artist"  ;)

Unfortunately this makes it super-easy for someone to crop and steal your image. And there are many image sites who object to frames as an eyesore... even more so than a discrete copyright!

I previously used a small frame but had more complaints about that than the banner I use now.

I know, but, I am not that worried, even if someone was to use an image to make money for someone else, I have no money to sue anyone...
It just a hobby for me.  Plus, putting a water mark takes away from the image... you don't see painters writing their name across the face of the painting... And, anyone could cut off the trim on a canvas also... same thing.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2011, 06:58:29 AM »
you don't see painters writing their name across the face of the painting... And, anyone could cut off the trim on a canvas also... same thing.

Yes yes yes!, cut Pablo's signature and mark those cubistic drawings with my own! (j/k) :P
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2011, 07:21:47 AM »
I don't use anything like that on just photos on Flickr or the web etc.  On Facebook engagement photos etc I do now put a little marker because I hope that people who see the photos can easily find me.

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2011, 07:26:00 AM »
Heh, this is kind of funny...I could care less if people stole my photos. I suppose it's because I don't think I'm that great of a photographer though.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2011, 02:20:04 PM »
Who has the money, time and mood to go to court, suing a website located in some far away country ?

That's totally irrelevant to the argument.

Does the fact you think you might never sure also mean you care nothing about protecting your property? If so, that is your choice. Why criticise others who think differently?
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2011, 02:21:43 PM »
Plus, putting a water mark takes away from the image... you don't see painters writing their name across the face of the painting... And, anyone could cut off the trim on a canvas also... same thing.

You're saying a painting -- of which there is only one unique copy in canvas and paint -- is the same thing as a digital photo which can be freely replicated? Where have you been hiding this last century?  ::)
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2011, 02:26:55 PM »
Heh, this is kind of funny...I could care less if people stole my photos. I suppose it's because I don't think I'm that great of a photographer though.


You might think differently if it affected your reputation and that of your family. I will give no personal examples but this family photo was used without permission:
http://www.extraordinarymommy.com/are-you-kidding-me/stolen-picture/

The easier one can prove copyright the easier it would be to go for damages, if one wanted to. It is not hard to find a lawyer to so something like this on spec for a percentage, since most cases settle out of court for a fee. No need to travel to the Czech Republic!
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2011, 02:31:46 PM »
Heh, this is kind of funny...I could care less if people stole my photos. I suppose it's because I don't think I'm that great of a photographer though.


You might think differently if it affected your reputation and that of your family. I will give no personal examples but this family photo was used without permission:
http://www.extraordinarymommy.com/are-you-kidding-me/stolen-picture/

The easier one can prove copyright the easier it would be to go for damages, if one wanted to. It is not hard to find a lawyer to so something like this on spec for a percentage, since most cases settle out of court for a fee. No need to travel to the Czech Republic!


Good example, makes you think.
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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2011, 04:27:38 PM »
Plus, putting a water mark takes away from the image... you don't see painters writing their name across the face of the painting... And, anyone could cut off the trim on a canvas also... same thing.

You're saying a painting -- of which there is only one unique copy in canvas and paint -- is the same thing as a digital photo which can be freely replicated? Where have you been hiding this last century?  ::)

No, many artist have lithograph's that they sign... I have a RC Gorman "Jennette"  (1st version) that has 200 copies.

THE PRINCIPLE IS THE SAME... Stop nit picking.... YOU did know what I meant...And so did everyone else.

PLUS, not everyone is so OVERLY OCD on being protective with their Photography, as some.. They may think that their stuff "Is All That"  It may be... Who cares?

Make money on my Stuff, if you can...(there too small for printing over 4x6) good luck.

I am a hobbyist not to make money.. I am hobbyist to enjoy photography, and share freely for others to enjoy.  Like "Open Source Code".

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Re: How protective are you of your photos?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2011, 09:56:03 PM »
It helps to read the entire article as well.

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That said, there is an advantage to filing for copyright. If a dispute arises, you can get punitive damages (in addition to compensatory damages) if a form was filed before infringement.


In the stolen picture webpage example, if it is in fact real, she could sue not because the image was supposedly copyrighted, but rather they used her image without permission.  She can sue for Appropriation.

http://www.photosandthelaw.com/tag/photography-law/

The difficulty is proving that the image was used for financial gain.  Who is to prevent someone from stealing an image, then cloning away the copyright watermark and replace it with their own?  Can you prove in a court of law that you took the real image?  Probably, if you have the original RAW file, maybe even a TIFF, but not likely with JPEGs or PNGs etc...

 

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