Author Topic: Why buy a DSLR when you can buy the G3? (Read 4332 times)

lisandra · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2011, 08:53:34 PM »

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anyone who buys a non-pro DSLR like me is plain stupid....

That we can agree on, it seems these days that unless I get a full frame or 1D mkIII I cant call myself a photographer...

Panther · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:19:56 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 10, 2011, 08:53:34 PM

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anyone who buys a non-pro DSLR like me is plain stupid....
That we can agree on, it seems these days that unless I get a full frame or 1D mkIII I cant call myself a photographer...

Thanks for indirectly calling me stupid..

voyager · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:24:23 PM »

For fucks sake.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:33:07 PM »

there are no stupid people , only stupid cameras

lisandra · « **Reply #29 on:** July 11, 2011, 12:17:19 AM »

Quote from: Panther on July 10, 2011, 09:19:56 PM

Quote from: lisandra on July 10, 2011, 08:53:34 PM
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anyone who buys a non-pro DSLR like me is plain stupid....
That we can agree on, it seems these days that unless I get a full frame or 1D mkIII I cant call myself a photographer...

Thanks for indirectly calling me stupid..

were all stupid then (most of us), as none of us have full frames or 1Ds.

niva_explorer_photo · « **Reply #30 on:** July 11, 2011, 05:04:41 AM »

Quote from: voyager on July 10, 2011, 08:41:03 PM

There are reasons that I don't want to give up my DSLR, despite having a PEN and loving it. In no way is it a waste of money.

I gave up all my DSLR gear recently, I won't enter on what system is the best but I realised I hadn't touched the Alpha since 6 months ago!, now I am a m4/3 only person

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #31 on:** July 11, 2011, 05:17:54 AM »

♞ A DSLR does have a place because of some of the accessories that are not available for m4/3.
A power grip for one. This allows a 2 battery camera with a portrait release. Also, excluding size, you have a good selection of fast zooms. Which will be needed for jobs requirements where no flash is allowed.

This year, IQ is not a main factor anymore, except for a stop less DR. For most uses. ♞

mid_gen · « **Reply #32 on:** July 11, 2011, 05:50:25 PM »

Why would you buy a DSLR?

Depth of Field Control
AF performance (i.e. multi-point 3d tracking)
Fast, constant aperture zooms
Specialist lenses (e.g. Canon MP-E65, tilt-shift)
Fast telephotos (300+ f2.

Having a balanced setup with heavy lens + external flash mounted
Manual controls (these seem to be disappearing on M4/3)
Optical viewfinders
Comfort (Big hands and small camera just doesn't work for some people)
Battery life

Basically, unless you need/want a small camera, then a DSLR beats M4/3 in just about every way.

For me the small size is worth the tradeoffs.

Danny · « **Reply #33 on:** July 12, 2011, 03:25:57 AM »

Quote from: mid_gen on July 11, 2011, 05:50:25 PM

Why would you buy a DSLR?

Depth of Field Control
AF performance (i.e. multi-point 3d tracking)
Fast, constant aperture zooms
Specialist lenses (e.g. Canon MP-E65, tilt-shift)
Fast telephotos (300+ f2.
Having a balanced setup with heavy lens + external flash mounted
Manual controls (these seem to be disappearing on M4/3)
Optical viewfinders
Comfort (Big hands and small camera just doesn't work for some people)
Battery life

Basically, unless you need/want a small camera, then a DSLR beats M4/3 in just about every way.

For me the small size is worth the tradeoffs.

Just to be different and with the G2

Full DOF control
Af performance: Never used AF on 6 different digital cameras so far
Fast zooms: No AF means the use of fast legacy zoom lenses
Specialist lenses: Canon bellows and 35mm macrophoto lens and 20mm macrophoto specialised macro lenses means ratios up to 10:1 compared to the MP-E @ 5:1
Fast telephoto: Using Canon 300mm F/2.8L
External flash: Ringflash and Sunpak 555
Manual controls: Never used auto settings
Optical viewfinder: You got me there, but in daylight I can't tell the difference to be honest
Comfort: I like it
Battery life: Sucks, but not too bad. Using 3 batteries

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And the post above about a battery handgrip................

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ownuser-Camera-Battery-Grip-Panasonic-G1-G2-GH1-G10-/180663511517?pt=US_Camera_Battery_Grips&hash=item2a106269dd

Not a problem

Done with a sense of humour, but true. No offense

All the best folks.

Danny.

lisandra · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:25:52 AM »

theres already a 70$ discount on the camera...it just came out...

mikmas101 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 15, 2011, 04:16:30 PM »

I bought a G3 rather than a DSLR.

Why?

I'm not a professional and don't do weight lifting

jl-lb.ms · « **Reply #36 on:** August 06, 2011, 08:05:55 PM »

I have several Lumix m4/3, but the Nikon 300 is for serious shooting. The Lumixes are nowhere near in terms of dynamic range and processing speed.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2011, 09:27:55 PM »

The Lumix are for serious shooting also.... And I don't think most people can tell the difference in DR of a stop or so.. and that can made up in good editing skills.

For most us here on this on this forum, we are not high-end sports photographers, or need or want a DSLR with 3 lenses that take up 2x-4x more weight and space than a Pany/Oly with 3 lenses that ALL fit a medium size waist pack. and weigh under 4lbs all day long..

Now I know you have a nice m4/3 kit, But, IMO the G3 is very capable of going head to head with any mid level DSLR at any ISO, and..

A fast CPU and APS-C sensor doesn't make a serious camera... It's the photographer that makes serious photographs. And a Photographer can make serious photographs with any camera, and know the camera's limits "ALL camera's have limits"....(some camera's take longer to reach their limits), and using the camera's abilities at there best use.

And, The D300, is a fine camera, but, it is just a camera with different features and capabilities... like any TOOL.... if you are repairing a roof, you use a 19-24oz Roofing hammer, not a 9oz tack hammer to drive 14p nails in 3/4 inch plywood wood. I wouldn't bring a m4/3 to a basket ball game to record the event for a newspaper, as I wouldn't a bring D300 to a kids birthday party as a hired photographer. I would bring both an m4/3 and D300 to shoot a Wedding, and the m4/3 will not JUST be for candid shoots, but also for important parts of the Wedding where a smaller camera will be less intrusive with delicate moments that needs to be captured with as little intrusion as possible.

m4/3 has it's limits, for sure, but they have come way since the 4/3 sensors from Oly's E line.

I think using the term "Serious" shows an un-intended bias against m4/3 in general, and I blame marketing and the constant chatter of "fanboys" for that...

There are a few Professionals here that use both m4/3 and APS-C cameras for paid work..
It's a tool to these folk, and for the rest... it is very viable alternative to DSLR's that most of use down sized from... I had a Pentax K20D kit that needed a large gadget bag to carry it around. Uhhhhh, I got tired of that, and now I can carry 1 m4/3 (G3) and 4 lenses in a National Geographic waist pack, The camera with one of the lenses is around my neck, And I can carry that all day! --- G3/20mm/14-42mm/55mm micro/135mm + a .45 wide for when I want a 13mm FE to a 40mm zoom.

And I get Serious results with it all day long.

Not sure what you mean by "Serious".... Sometimes, I take my Contax G1 Titanium Body AF/RF with a Carl Zeiss G 45mm f/2 Planar T* and a few rolls of Fuji Neopan 400 as my serious camera.

But, I understand also that the D300 is a very capable DSLR, and is geared for those that need a fast acting camera with a huge selection of AF lenses from the past 30 years. I love Nikkor Glass, I own 2 Pre AF lenses myself.. I guess, many of us have a family camera and a hobby camera... And many of us have just a m4/3 for both, Like me, if you exclude my Contax G1 film RF with the best reputation 45mmf/2 Planar lens in the world.

Glad to have you aboard...

lisandra · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2011, 11:21:20 PM »

FOr studio stuff (which I think counts as serious) processing speed and dynamic range dont matter much.

lisandra · « **Reply #39 on:** August 07, 2011, 04:38:37 AM »

Quote from: jl-lb.ms on August 06, 2011, 08:05:55 PM

I have several Lumix m4/3, but the Nikon 300 is for serious shooting. The Lumixes are nowhere near in terms of dynamic range and processing speed.

further into this, the NIKON d300 has 2/3 of a stop more dynamic range than a gh2 and only at base ISO, from ISO 200 onwards the dynamic range is the same for the two cameras. The d300 shoots 6fps and the panny 5fps.

jl-lb.ms · « **Reply #40 on:** August 07, 2011, 05:06:24 AM »

I knew that would get a reaction!

. Generally I agree with you. Especially with the notion that "it's not the arrow, but the shooter behind the arrow." I've enjoyed using the G1, but recently started shooting birds, and I wasn't able to get the focus, speed, and tracking required for birds on the wing. If I recall correctly, the D300 can do 8FPS with the extra grip attached. I found that the 100-300 on the G1 wouldn't lock onto a flying bird for a lot of the time. Where the G1 did shine was using an older Nikon relax 500, with an effective 1000 mm focal length!

jl-lb.ms · « **Reply #41 on:** August 07, 2011, 05:38:25 AM »

Also, aside... When I got my G1 in Nov 2010, I pretty much set down my Leica M8. It's since been sold.

Different cameras for different purposes; If I were about to embark on a long trip, it would be the G1 that went with me, not the D300.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #42 on:** August 07, 2011, 06:23:13 AM »

Well executed

I almost was tempted with an M8, a few years ago when I shoot with a Leica M5, But, it was buggy from the start, and the M9, well, as the ad says on this site ($6,999.00) nuf said..

As you say, for BIF, a fast AF and lens that can handle it is a big plus for more keepers per outing... And a DSLR that has 45 AF points over 3/4 the area.

There are a few reasons for a DSLR over a G3, but, they are thinning out each year.
I don't see 8fps on a m4/3 at full resolution, but I can do 20fps at 4mp, the GH2 can do 40fps. But an electronic shutter will be needed I think to allow no black-out flickering with live-view. So, a few years away I guess... Right now m4/3 is getting the AF lag to equal DSLRs, so I guess 1 more generation to nail it down.. My G3 has very little lag time (.18s), barely noticeable. The E-P3 users report the same... fast AF with near instant capture.

The other reasons are fast Tele Zooms that m4/3 has not developed (or is ready to release) yet, other than the SHQ Oly's for the "E" series 4/3 DSLRs.

jl-lb.ms · « **Reply #43 on:** August 09, 2011, 02:56:52 PM »

Not a DSLR, but having sold the M8 and having some M glass on hand, I've put in a pre-order for the Ricoh M mount unit for the GXR. Excited!

Zelebrator · « **Reply #44 on:** August 10, 2011, 12:56:47 AM »

For me, the main issue is, too, the missing fast tele lens; not necessarily a zoom, but a 300mm f2.8 would be mine immediately.

That's the reason why I still keep my "full frame" DSLR. Under (not so rare) conditions, even f2.8 and ISO4000 is at the limit of keeping the moment. IS doesn't help, only f2.0 might :-)

Overall speed was also an issue for me with my E-P2 and 14-150mm. However, when prices go down, the E-P3 might solve this for me.

Z.

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