Author Topic: Panasonic G3--Real World Review with Full Size images (Read 10945 times)

lisandra · « **Reply #50 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:03:17 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 01:57:53 AM

Quote from: voyager on July 20, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
That's ISO 6400 from the G3?
yes, I downloaded the jpeg from m5s gallery and took care of the color noise in lightroom. Luma noise was set to 67, sharpening to a modest 22, radius 1.5 detail 10 masking 85. Silkypix has a weird tendency to leave some weird artifacts at high ISO, so I opened it up in ps and took care of that with the blur tool at a very low 25% on some of the surfaces of the spoons looking at it at 100%. From there its basically black and white points, contrast 8, viola. 7-9 minutes of work tops while watching a soap.
THIS is what I mean when I say that I prefer this kind of output, all the detail is there, its sharp despite the noise, its easy to work with, and with a little work you can make it look fantastic! The 100% crop I posted is unresized, and the exif is intact, so this is a real representation of the final result.

and if you don't wanna go to photoshop and stay in lightroom, create a new brush with clarity -15 and sharpness -30( in this case, but it depends on the size and amount of grain) for the blurriness I did on the spoons.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #51 on:** July 20, 2011, 04:51:24 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 01:57:53 AM

Quote from: voyager on July 20, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
That's ISO 6400 from the G3?
yes, I downloaded the jpeg from m5s gallery and took care of the color noise in lightroom. Luma noise was set to 67, sharpening to a modest 22, radius 1.5 detail 10 masking 85. Silkypix has a weird tendency to leave some weird artifacts at high ISO, so I opened it up in ps and took care of that with the blur tool at a very low 25% on some of the surfaces of the spoons looking at it at 100%. From there its basically black and white points, contrast 8, viola. 7-9 minutes of work tops while watching a soap.
THIS is what I mean when I say that I prefer this kind of output, all the detail is there, its sharp despite the noise, its easy to work with, and with a little work you can make it look fantastic! The 100% crop I posted is unresized, and the exif is intact, so this is a real representation of the final result.

There is no NR done in Silkpix, just a slight exposure adjustment...In the Kitchen flatware images.
Plus, after I used the NR in Silkpix once... Never again !!
I am looking for great NR program that is a Stand-Alone and/or Paint Shop Pro/PS plug in. .bf8
NeatImage is OK, DeNoise5 is better, but is there a better one out there.. I don't own PS or LR, so the specified Plug-in is preferred or a stand-alone.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #52 on:** July 20, 2011, 04:56:03 AM »

BTW. Lisandra. the 6400 edit you did, is really good... I am surprised that the threads in the towel are so detailed and natural looking, not plastic.

lisandra · « **Reply #53 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:15:13 AM »

Quote from: M5-User on July 20, 2011, 04:51:24 AM

Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 01:57:53 AM
Quote from: voyager on July 20, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
That's ISO 6400 from the G3?
yes, I downloaded the jpeg from m5s gallery and took care of the color noise in lightroom. Luma noise was set to 67, sharpening to a modest 22, radius 1.5 detail 10 masking 85. Silkypix has a weird tendency to leave some weird artifacts at high ISO,

There is no NR done in Silkpix, just a slight exposure adjustment...In the Kitchen flatware images.
Plus, after I used the NR in Silkpix once... Never again !!
I am looking for great NR program that is a Stand-Alone and/or Paint Shop Pro/PS plug in. .bf8
NeatImage is OK, DeNoise5 is better, but is there a better one out there.. I don't own PS or LR, so the specified Plug-in is preferred or a stand-alone.

I meant in the raw to jpeg conversion, at high ISO silkypix leaves some line like artifacts, no biggie, they're easy to deal with.
Did you try noise ninja? It used to be my fave and can be gotten as stand alone. To ME its right up there with lightroom. I think the trial is free, if its not the b5 trial is free and it has noise ninja, although b5 is very scary at first.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #54 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:35:39 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 11:15:13 AM

Quote from: M5-User on July 20, 2011, 04:51:24 AM
Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 01:57:53 AM
Quote from: voyager on July 20, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
That's ISO 6400 from the G3?
yes, I downloaded the jpeg from m5s gallery and took care of the color noise in lightroom. Luma noise was set to 67, sharpening to a modest 22, radius 1.5 detail 10 masking 85. Silkypix has a weird tendency to leave some weird artifacts at high ISO,

There is no NR done in Silkpix, just a slight exposure adjustment...In the Kitchen flatware images.
Plus, after I used the NR in Silkpix once... Never again !!
I am looking for great NR program that is a Stand-Alone and/or Paint Shop Pro/PS plug in. .bf8
NeatImage is OK, DeNoise5 is better, but is there a better one out there.. I don't own PS or LR, so the specified Plug-in is preferred or a stand-alone.
I meant in the raw to jpeg conversion, at high ISO silkypix leaves some line like artifacts, no biggie, they're easy to deal with.
Did you try noise ninja? It used to be my fave and can be gotten as stand alone. To ME its right up there with lightroom. I think the trial is free, if its not the b5 trial is free and it has noise ninja, although b5 is very scary at first.

No, I just got "Imagenomic Noiseware 4 Pro" bundle. It handles fine detail with care and looks more natural in the end..

lisandra · « **Reply #55 on:** July 20, 2011, 12:31:27 PM »

Quote from: M5-User on July 20, 2011, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: M5-User on July 20, 2011, 04:51:24 AM
Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 01:57:53 AM
Quote from: voyager on July 20, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
That's ISO 6400 from the G3?
yes, I downloaded the jpeg from m5s gallery and took care of the color noise in lightroom. Luma noise was set to 67, sharpening to a modest 22, radius 1.5 detail 10 masking 85. Silkypix has a weird tendency to leave some weird artifacts at high ISO,

There is no NR done in Silkpix, just a slight exposure adjustment...In the Kitchen flatware images.
Plus, after I used the NR in Silkpix once... Never again !!
I am looking for great NR program that is a Stand-Alone and/or Paint Shop Pro/PS plug in. .bf8
NeatImage is OK, DeNoise5 is better, but is there a better one out there.. I don't own PS or LR, so the specified Plug-in is preferred or a stand-alone.
I meant in the raw to jpeg conversion, at high ISO silkypix leaves some line like artifacts, no biggie, they're easy to deal with.
Did you try noise ninja? It used to be my fave and can be gotten as stand alone. To ME its right up there with lightroom. I think the trial is free, if its not the b5 trial is free and it has noise ninja, although b5 is very scary at first.

No, I just got "Imagenomic Noiseware 4 Pro" bundle. It handles fine detail with care and looks more natural in the end..

did you use it already? How is it?

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #56 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:01:55 PM »

I'll post an image....

lisandra · « **Reply #57 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:17:30 PM »

BTW, this is a tiny bit better than what I can get from my gh2 at ISO 6400

Details

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #58 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:38:18 PM »

No Noise Reduction ISO 1250

Details

Noise Reduction ISO 1250 with Imageonmic Noiseware Pro 4

Details

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #59 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:40:24 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 20, 2011, 02:17:30 PM

BTW, this is a tiny bit better than what I can get from my gh2 at ISO 6400

It does look good... I can shoot macro at 1250 and have no fear now of smeared or lack of details..

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #60 on:** July 24, 2011, 02:58:06 PM »

My Conclusion with the Panasonic G3:

Body Build:
Still a solid body IMO. It is lighter and smaller than the standard G series. The reduced grip is a bit smooth, but, still has a grippe feel when held with one hand and wrist strap (I always recommend a wrist strap for one handed holding). The size is still a large enough area (I won't go any smaller though), to allow 1/2 of your fingers length to wrap around it though.

The biggest change is the slimming down to the depth of the GF series. This has caused some of the external dials to disappear.

1)The AF/MF dial is now gone, and the left side is also trimmed down because there is no need for that dial anymore. The AF/MF function is now in the Quick Menu on the Touch Screen.. IMO it is not a big deal.. here's why. When using MF lenses, the camera has no need for a user to change the camera to MF mode. As long as you have the camera set up to be used w/o a lens attached, the camera automatically switches to manual focus mode when a MF lens is mounted. I hardly use the AF lenses on MF, so, I welcome this one less step, a plus in my eyes.

2) The Single Drive/Continuous Drive/Self-Timer dial is also gone because the smaller grip, the shutter release was moved to the top deck (like the GF series). So, the Mode Dial was shifted a little also. These controls are now on the "Down" button on the 4-way controller..not a big deal either. How often do we change that anyway?

3) Because, the G3 lost a few dials, Panasonic made a way to customize 2 buttons on the back/right side of the camera, so, you can at least assign these to your popular functions, if you like.

4) The mount is/looks stronger. It has a medal ring that surrounds the standard mount. So, I call this a plus also. especially if you like longer lenses. (But, you should still hold the longer lenses for camera stability).

5) High ISO performance. I see no need for Noise Reduction up to ISO 800 when shooting RAW.(It is that clean!) and from ISO 1000 to 1600 it has very low noise. I'd say, a little Noise Reduction is needed. But, you won't need aggressive Noise Reduction at all. From ISO 2000-3200 is the next level of slightly higher noise. here, you will still have great fine detail and no smearing that requires some Noise Reduction also. But, no need for aggressive NR again... At ISO 4000-6400 is last level. Still very good fine detail and no smearing. I can say that all ISO's are usable.. See my Kitchen Sample images above...
I have no fear to set my camera to "iISO with a ISO 800 or 1600 top limit.

6) EVF: It is a bit smaller in external appearance, but still 1.44mp resolution as all the G Series, but, because of a Duel Core Processor, and a faster refresh rate needed for HDVideo (as in the GH2), the smearing of the image while panning is gone.

7) Touch Screen: a few features where added:
a) Touch/Shoot that allows you to touch any part of the screen, and the camera will AF and take a photo. a great feature for Macro and Street photography at least with AF lenses.
b) Pin-Point AF focusing, similar to "7a", but at the pixel level !!!
c) It has more touch points, so precise touch is better. The touch buttons are slightly bigger than other G series, so fat fingers, like mine, work just fine.

Overall rating on my scale (1-10) I give it a solid 8... the few things that are not quite a 10: the Fn1 button is flush, The back wheel is not as large, the SD card holder is in the base, with battery. The grip could be of a 'grippier" finish. The lose of the 'autoeye-EFV/LCD" is gone. I do miss that.

Highly recommended
Rating: SOLID 8
Value/Cost: A great value for $699. with the kit lens

lisandra · « **Reply #61 on:** July 24, 2011, 03:20:59 PM »

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It is a bit smaller in external appearance, but still 1.44mp is resolution as all the G Series, but, because of a Duel Core Processor, and a faster refresh rate needed for HDVideo (as in the GH2), the smearing of the image while panning is gone.

Also (dont know if youve noticed) the faster refresh rates means what happens in the vf is actually whats happening outside. this is specially noticeable in low light

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #62 on:** July 24, 2011, 06:25:17 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 24, 2011, 03:20:59 PM

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It is a bit smaller in external appearance, but still 1.44mp is resolution as all the G Series, but, because of a Duel Core Processor, and a faster refresh rate needed for HDVideo (as in the GH2), the smearing of the image while panning is gone.
Also (dont know if youve noticed) the faster refresh rates means what happens in the vf is actually whats happening outside. this is specially noticeable in low light

Looked at that tonight, I just panned around my apartment, and it was like looking through an optical VF as far keeping up with my panning... Nice

lisandra · « **Reply #63 on:** July 24, 2011, 07:29:46 PM »

Quote from: M5-User on July 24, 2011, 06:25:17 PM

Quote from: lisandra on July 24, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
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It is a bit smaller in external appearance, but still 1.44mp is resolution as all the G Series, but, because of a Duel Core Processor, and a faster refresh rate needed for HDVideo (as in the GH2), the smearing of the image while panning is gone.

Also (dont know if youve noticed) the faster refresh rates means what happens in the vf is actually whats happening outside. this is specially noticeable in low light

Looked at that tonight, I just panned around my apartment, and it was like looking through an optical VF as far keeping up with my panning... Nice

It was the very first thing I noticed when changing from the GH1 to the GH2, it was beautiful, I almost cried. Panny intends to make this "perfect" by the next cycle. Dont have details though...

lisandra · « **Reply #64 on:** July 25, 2011, 09:52:49 PM »

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Still a solid body IMO

made of aluminum...

Panasonic G3--Real World Review with Full Size images

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