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'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« on: October 28, 2011, 05:38:00 PM »
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 05:49:21 PM »
i dunno....this should have had a VF...unless theres some ridiculous jump in IQ.
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 06:04:58 PM »
Not too bad. No EVF, but has a thumb wheel and a few buttons on the back. No quick access to exposure compensation, but GF1 fans should be happy  :)
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 06:06:58 PM »
I thought everyone wanted a "GF1" update???

Kinda has the GF1 look and size....with 3rd or 4th Generation upgrades...

I like it.... anyway... It would make a nice Non-VF body along side my G3...

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 08:33:59 PM »
If it did everything a GH2 does in terms of image I would be in. If it did, it would be a superior camera system to anything in the same category (a compact interchangeable-lens camera).
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 09:16:59 PM »
It looks like a beat up E-P3.  So glad I didn't wait for the "pro" model.

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 10:52:22 PM »
yeah when you look at it that way m5, it makes a lot of sense, this is a gf 1 update. Adash, if that thumb wheel is "pressable" like most pannys, exposure comp is a press of the thumb away (switches between aperture/shutter speed and exp. comp.) Its supposed to compete against the mighty 5n in terms of jpeg IQ. panny CLAIMS that they have a new image processor that is about 1.6 times faster than the venus engine FHD and that high ISO IQ is the best out there available (the best?? better than a full framer? or the best amongst mirrorless?). I think the G3 sensor (which this camera has) is capable, but panny arent the best jpeg makers out there...we'll see...
It certainly is the camera that the GF1 owners have been claiming for since..well..since the GF1. af/mf button is where the quick menu button should be, other than that it seems well laid out. What would an acceptable price be?? 700$? less? more?

One thing continues to baffle me from panny, why does panasonic stay with the 460k dot screen?. The sonys 920k dots are fantastic, night and day difference when it comes to judge critical focus or just plain focusing in dim conditions
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2011, 03:47:36 AM »
Sadly I cannot see this augmenting my GF1, all I really want is a built-in viewfinder. If I buy a second body it is most likely to be a GF3 (at present) as it is small.

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2011, 05:45:55 AM »
Stupid question, if this looks llike an obvious upgrade from the GF series, why is it called GX?

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2011, 06:28:08 AM »
That is a good Q.
You'd think a new name (GX over GF/GH) would indicate a new design, new cutting edge technology, or something.

What does the "X" mean in the name? 
G = SLR Style with good Video features
H = SLR Style/better Video features over G's / non cropping ratio sensor.
F = No EVF with optional EVF available.
X = ???

But, aside from the mf/af switch, (a nice addition), I think the name should be GF1n or GF1-MkI

Still a nice GF Series type camera, that had brought back the size many wanted in the GF3.

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 09:14:39 AM »
That is a good Q.
You'd think a new name (GX over GF/GH) would indicate a new design, new cutting edge technology, or something.

What does the "X" mean in the name? 
G = SLR Style with good Video features
H = SLR Style/better Video features over G's / non cropping ratio sensor.
F = No EVF with optional EVF available.
X = ???

But, aside from the mf/af switch, (a nice addition), I think the name should be GF1n or GF1-MkI

Still a nice GF Series type camera, that had brought back the size many wanted in the GF3.

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 10:19:34 AM »
Sadly I cannot see this augmenting my GF1, all I really want is a built-in viewfinder. If I buy a second body it is most likely to be a GF3 (at present) as it is small.
I don't think its meant to augment the gf1, its meant to replace it. Is it worth your money? Well that's up to you but let me state my case...as it is it looks about as small as a gf3, I know this because the 14-42 x lens on it looks big on it and that lens is tiiiiiiny. The gf3 doesn't have a hot shoe and its nowhere near as ergonomically accessible as this thing. Most importantly, the g3 sensor is leaps and bounds better than the gf3 sensor, in every aspect. A 1.44 million dot view finder will be released with it too.
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2011, 10:32:25 AM »
How much does everyone guess it'll cost?
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2011, 10:47:31 AM »
Nice cam. I think it will be positioned against the E-P3.
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2011, 11:25:11 AM »
the camera needed a vf internally , thats what people want , the improvements are noted and appreciated , the ommissions glaring and insane considering
this is positioned as an enthusiast camera, why must every single camera  made since the beginning of time be almost fantastic????

why?

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2011, 12:00:15 PM »
Umm,  the Contax G1 is Fantastic... well  almost....  the lens rests at INF regardless of focus mode between exposures, ... so, even at a MF preset, the AF system most still move the focus block to the preset.... so, it is no faster than using the AF mode.......

An internal VF, I hope will be a GX2... BUT, like the X100/x10 style.. dump the flash, and put it there.....
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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2011, 01:01:49 PM »
the camera needed a vf internally , thats what people want , the improvements are noted and appreciated , the ommissions glaring and insane considering
this is positioned as an enthusiast camera, why must every single camera  made since the beginning of time be almost fantastic????

why?

Because in the 21st century manufacturers are dominated by marketing divisions, so that it is equally important to provide the potential for an upgrade path as well as an initial sale, and also stick to the product line concept.  "Tiering" functions and features that really don't represent a significant expense in manufacturing is pretty much the latest game. . .which is why people are now hacking cameras.  Does anyone think that Panasonic didn't know the imaging potential of the GH2 when they made it? and that they wouldn't have been able to implement the superior performance the hacked version is now producing for the same cost? Its definitely worse in the "prosumer" video world, video codecs seem to generally be a "shell game", the Sony FS100 and F3 are the best example I can think of.

Panasonic is probably never going to put a built-in VF on the GF/GX series, everyone knows thats what you are supposed to buy a G3 or GH2 for. Personally the only drawback I see on the GX layout is the lack of a tilt screen, but then I'm not a "street photographer" either.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2011, 01:43:22 PM »
I have no explanation for Olympus but for Panasonic there isn't really any sense in making a small camera with a vf. That would be basically a g3. Tilt screens are phenomenal, I love em to death and preffer them, but they do add significant bulk...
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2011, 05:48:55 PM »
the camera needed a vf internally , thats what people want , the improvements are noted and appreciated , the ommissions glaring and insane considering
this is positioned as an enthusiast camera, why must every single camera  made since the beginning of time be almost fantastic????

why?
Because the minority, you and I, do not generate the revenue necessary to justify the inclusion of useful tool.  If they (Oly, Panasonic,) want me to upgrade, I'm gonna need something in return...like a freaking viewfinder.   

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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2011, 06:19:22 PM »
the camera needed a vf internally , thats what people want , the improvements are noted and appreciated , the ommissions glaring and insane considering
this is positioned as an enthusiast camera, why must every single camera  made since the beginning of time be almost fantastic????

why?
Because the minority, you and I, do not generate the revenue necessary to justify the inclusion of useful tool.  If they (Oly, Panasonic,) want me to upgrade, I'm gonna need something in return...like a freaking viewfinder.   

Sometimes I ponder selling all the gear and just get an M8 and a couple of Voigtlander lenses.     


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Re: 'Panasonic GX1 Pictures'
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2011, 08:54:07 PM »
why the makers of micro 4 3 cameras cannot understand that the nex 7 and the x100 represent a type of success that hinges upon internal vf`s in a rangefinder style body as much as any other feature , the g and gh series are for the SLR crowd , which is fine ,but there is anther group of enthusiasts another group that generates a market and a base of believers that filters down the whole of the photography marketplace just like  pros and enthusiasts for the expensive Nikon and canon gear  filters down and effects all segments of the point and shoot  and midrange market for consumer cameras

the viewfinder was not supposed to go away,,,, it did as a cost cutting\ simplification feature as people began to frame shots using the lcd,... the makers saw that as an opportunistic moment to cut costs size and complexity of goods they offered to the public ... well the public wants vfs back , thank you.... oly and panny are not listening yet... the gf1 the gx1 the ep3 owners mostly want and definitely deserve  the viewfinder that was not supposed to go away.... and certainly didn't need to be reborn as an expensive  contraption teetering atop a hot shoe sans lock!

the success of viewfinder  rangefinder styles body cameras will eventually be understood  but it seems to be taking forever :o

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2011, 11:58:01 PM »
@cosinaphile: +1 on that, - and I'm almost willing to make a bet that neither Pana nor Oly will be the first one to give you (and me, - and many, many more) what we're awaiting? 
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2011, 12:42:16 AM »
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the camera needed a vf internally , thats what people want
I agree. But it has a flash instead. What is it used for? When was the last time you used the built-in flash?
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2011, 06:20:14 PM »
Am I the only one that actually likes this camera?
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2011, 07:32:10 PM »
Am I the only one that actually likes this camera?

I like it, I could see a use for this model... I wish it had a t/s LCD... but not a deal breaker for me... But, I have no money either.... but if I did..... 8)
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