Author Topic: Sony NEX7 24.3MP Sensor!!! (Read 4291 times)

count_zero · « **on:** August 24, 2011, 12:09:11 AM »

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/sony-unveils-nex-7-24-3-mp-sensor-oled-viewfinder-1199-price/

http://www.alphamountworld.com/previews/sony-nex-7-announced-and-previewed

Sony wins. Every one go home now.

voyager · « **Reply #1 on:** August 24, 2011, 12:16:00 AM »

I don't see a collapsible kit lens.

chrism_scotland · « **Reply #2 on:** August 24, 2011, 12:56:21 AM »

Personally I think the NEX 5N is the competitor still to the current Olympus and Panasonic lineups, the NEX 7 is going to cost a fortune even without a lens and the lenses still aren't there yet, the Carl Zeiss 24mm looks huge and at $1000 isn't cheap either.

The NEX 7 will get plenty of buyers who want to stick their legacy glass on it or professionals looking for something to backup their kit but for "ordinary joe" I think its going to be far too expensive, if I was spending that much I'd buy the A77

count_zero · « **Reply #3 on:** August 24, 2011, 01:24:56 AM »

The mega pixel war is over. Film scans at 20MP, that was the target to shoot for. No longer can someone claim that their film scans have better resolution. Up next will be Ultra-HD at 33.2MP. The best camera you have is the one that is with you. I would more likely carry around a NEX7 over an A77 for most situations.

Oh wait, what is that sound? Oh, its just the wind sucking out of the CaNikon sail.

chrism_scotland · « **Reply #4 on:** August 24, 2011, 01:41:55 AM »

UK Pre-Order Pricing

NEX7 Body Only: £999.95
A77 Body Only: £1179.95
A65 Body Only: £ 799.95

A77 & 16-50: £1679.95
NEX7 & 18-55: £1149.95

I think I'd rather have the A65 for £200 less than the NEX!

Also bundling with the 18-55, doe we really think that lens is going to do the 24mp sensor justice?

adash · « **Reply #5 on:** August 24, 2011, 02:00:15 AM »

A77 Body Only: £1179.95
A77 & 16-50: £1679.95
WTF? What kid of kit lens is that?

lisandra · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2011, 03:07:27 AM »

On paper it sound awesome but ultimately the nex 7 will fail. I will bet everything I have right now this camera won't even make it to the sales charts. First of all, its as expensive as the much more robust, better built, with much more controls and features a77 and secondly but much more important, there are still no lenses for it (there's like 5) and the ones that do exist are humongous. A million bucks say Panasonic will kill the nex 7 with their new pancake zoom alone. It's about making one of these things pocketable, or at least really compact, remember that? That was supposed to be the goal of the nex/pen/gf line.
All these people saying "well if I had the money is buy it" are just saying that they're not, if they really wanted it they'd get it no matter what. And that's what Sony has right now, a lot of people that WOULD buy it if maybe they had the money left over lying around.

lisandra · « **Reply #7 on:** August 24, 2011, 03:11:06 AM »

I remember how panther wouldn't let us forget about how "expensive" the gh2 was at 849$ body only...

rogerml · « **Reply #8 on:** August 24, 2011, 05:57:35 AM »

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1314162111.html

Pat Donnelly · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2011, 06:44:00 AM »

Impressive sensor, but what does it produce?

As a devotee of mf lenses, the Sonylenses do not stir me. The march of the semi-conductors continues. Can the software keep pace? It has lagged behind in the PC world? Are the pixel sizes too small?

It is progress. Quite a leap. But have they improved the usability? Menu access? To those who prefer the lens and add the body after, will this body be a favourite? I will only buy after the next model comes out, prices drop and reliability issues have not surfaced, like battery power etc.

delhaye · « **Reply #10 on:** August 24, 2011, 10:11:34 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on August 24, 2011, 03:07:27 AM

On paper it sound awesome but ultimately the nex 7 will fail. I will bet everything I have right now this camera won't even make it to the sales charts. First of all, its as expensive as the much more robust, better built, with much more controls and features a77 and secondly but much more important, there are still no lenses for it (there's like 5) and the ones that do exist are humongous. A million bucks say Panasonic will kill the nex 7 with their new pancake zoom alone. It's about making one of these things pocketable, or at least really compact, remember that? That was supposed to be the goal of the nex/pen/gf line.
All these people saying "well if I had the money is buy it" are just saying that they're not, if they really wanted it they'd get it no matter what. And that's what Sony has right now, a lot of people that WOULD buy it if maybe they had the money left over lying around.

Couldn't agree more. For more than year I had a E-p2, and was more than happy with it. Then, las month, I bought the Nex-C3 just to try the system. I don't really have bad things to say about image quality but knowing that even if the bodies are quite small the lenses are always going to be enormous, made me come bak to micro 4/3.

Now I'm a proud owner of a G3... beautiful camera...

count_zero · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2011, 12:07:19 PM »

It doesn't matter how good or bad the sensor signal to noise ratio is. The box is now open and everyone will have to go to more MP in order to compete. It just goes to show that all of the other sensor manufactures have been dragging their feet. My personal opinion is that film scans are 20MP, so that is the only threshold I care about since I no longer have the excuse that I can get more resolution using film excluding upscaling techniques. If this sensor does ISO 100 sharper and cleaner than film, then its a win.

All of the rangefinder fans who have Leica glass, but haven't invested yet into a digital body will go with the NEX7 because it's much cheaper than an M9 or M8. The viewfinder is where it's supposed to be, there are plenty of manual controls, and it does the "peaking" mode for manual focus. The D-range control also looks very interesting.

I still like m43 in terms of form factor, but it would be really nice to have 20MP sensor.

count_zero · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:33:31 PM »

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On paper it sound awesome but ultimately the nex 7 will fail.

Already number 2 in sales on Amazon.

http://photorumors.com/2011/08/24/sony-nex-7-quickly-jumps-to-2-best-selling-camera-on-amazon/

The new Zeiss lenses look cool too. It should be interesting to see DxOMark reviews on the sensor.

lisandra · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:45:26 PM »

Quote from: count_zero on August 24, 2011, 08:33:31 PM

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On paper it sound awesome but ultimately the nex 7 will fail.

Already number 2 in sales on Amazon.

http://photorumors.com/2011/08/24/sony-nex-7-quickly-jumps-to-2-best-selling-camera-on-amazon/

The new Zeiss lenses look cool too. It should be interesting to see DxOMark reviews on the sensor.

#2 in pre-orders, those numbers change dramatically when it goes on stock (the cameras that actually do ship). If you click it now its already going down. In fact its not even searchable on amazon anymore.

count_zero · « **Reply #14 on:** August 24, 2011, 09:04:29 PM »

I'm watching the Sony UK livestream QA. They fixed the rolling shutter and Moire effect when shooting video on a77 and nex7. I'm guessing it is using an electronic shutter. I wonder if they fixed the live view lag when shooting sequential as well.

traveler_101 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 24, 2011, 10:22:06 PM »

SONY is a huge corporation throwing its ample resources into technology on the principle that more is better. Call it the the hunt for the white whale of perfect image resolution.

Zeiss is very opportunistic company; I guess living in the shadow of Leica has contributed to that.

The worst of it is that marketing being what it is, Count-Zero is at least partly right that other companies will now feel the need to follow suit. They shouldn't and thankfully size and form factor issues will hold them back. Not surprisingly SONY doesn't recognize the relationship between power and form. The NEX is a monster, an abortion.

Peter Hovmand · « **Reply #16 on:** August 24, 2011, 11:31:35 PM »

I agree with count... With a small 35mm m-mount it would be pocketable ... and sure, all those semi-rich Leica guys who haven't bought a Leica M9, they will buy this one for sure ... But there is not much hope for pocketable AF lenses - apart from the 16mm ... But I guess some guys can live without AF ... including mee

But I would rather go for the Nex 5N, much better high iso performance!
I think I will stick to my E-P2 so far, though, thanks to the brilliant 20mm from Panasonic

PS. Actually Samsung has made some small AF lenses for their APS-C NX cameras ... an interesting 30mm 2.0 for example ...

lisandra · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2011, 12:56:17 AM »

image quality and detail is to kill for, using the comparometer on imaging resource you can see how this sensor runs over anything APS C and its equal to current full frames!

Handheld · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2011, 07:47:51 AM »

Interesting take on the a77 by Kirk Tuck.

http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/2011/08/why-sony-a77-changes-everything-going.html

count_zero · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2011, 09:01:20 AM »

I didn't realize that the A77 was using an EVF. That is bizarre. Why use the translucent mirror then, other than for phase auto-focus? The E-P3 proves that phase AF is a relic technology. This also probably answers the question about live view lag when shooting sequential. I don't think sony would have abandoned the optical view finder if they didn't have the live view lag fixed.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2011, 09:37:07 AM »

it looks like a great camera to me on paper , so i guess im in the minority here, ive hated the nex cams so far, they have seemed awkward silly conceptions like altoid tins welded to a coke can.

but the 7 is nothing like them, & i see many reasons to own this
[maybe]

best possible solution for rangefinder glass.... as was mentioned
focus peaking .........apsc sensor..... 24mp wow!

a high res evf exactly where it needs to be for this type of form factor....no pseudo pentaprism hump!

lots of real controls.... instant access to :iso, ss, f stop, exp comp.
not too small - to better balance those huge honking sony \zeiss
metal salamis...err , i mean lenses, lol

if they can get 24 mp on that sensor and still control high iso noise
adequitely , then this changes the game, big time

i just ordered the ricoh gxr M mount module which im hugely looking foward to [649 us dollars] its sposed to ship on sept 2
if i didnt get this the new sony is a camera i would like to own

if the price drops with the black kit zoom to below 1000 id probably get it

the nex 7 could be a great camera ....im very curious what the files look like for detail and noise aspects.

and i think it looks like a real camera , in the way the gf1 ,the ep-1\2\3
and the contax g\g2 and the fujifilm x 100 look like real cameras
and offer features and controls that real cameras should ,imho.

lisandra · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2011, 04:53:23 PM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on August 25, 2011, 09:37:07 AM

it looks like a great camera to me on paper , so i guess im in the minority here, ive hated the nex cams so far, they have seemed awkward silly conceptions like altoid tins welded to a coke can.

but the 7 is nothing like them, & i see many reasons to own this
[maybe]

best possible solution for rangefinder glass.... as was mentioned
focus peaking .........apsc sensor..... 24mp wow!

a high res evf exactly where it needs to be for this type of form factor....no pseudo pentaprism hump!

lots of real controls.... instant access to :iso, ss, f stop, exp comp.
not too small - to better balance those huge honking sony \zeiss
metal salamis...err , i mean lenses, lol

if they can get 24 mp on that sensor and still control high iso noise
adequitely , then this changes the game, big time

i just ordered the ricoh gxr M mount module which im hugely looking foward to [649 us dollars] its sposed to ship on sept 2
if i didnt get this the new sony is a camera i would like to own

if the price drops with the black kit zoom to below 1000 id probably get it

the nex 7 could be a great camera ....im very curious what the files look like for detail and noise aspects.

and i think it looks like a real camera , in the way the gf1 ,the ep-1\2\3
and the contax g\g2 and the fujifilm x 100 look like real cameras
and offer features and controls that real cameras should ,imho.

youre not alone, it is a fine specd, very advanced camera body. But at 1300$ its a bit to much!

cosinaphile · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2011, 05:48:08 PM »

yeah the price

lisandra · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2011, 06:20:39 PM »

A very naughty bird told me that in initial tests the A77/nex7 outresolves in lines the 1D mk3, 5D, nikon d3/d3x/d700 and almost reaches the A900, which is the highest resolving full frame out there. This is from RAW testing on firmware 1.0, the results will be posted in the next 2-3 weeks. He also says that that while its a fantastic sensor, many will be disappointed with noise levels.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #24 on:** August 25, 2011, 07:16:05 PM »

I SUSPECTED THATit might be a little noisy at that pixel density
but if it delivers useable 3200 and peaks at 6400 or 12800 ,,,i dont want or expect 25600 or 51,200 like pentax , whats the point if its unusable?

a decent 3200 a useable in a pinch 6400 and a very detailed crisp useable 24 mp file seems pretty exciting

did you know the x 100 peaks at iso about 1000 but thru very efficent and intelligent processing of the signal provides a 12800 file that doesnt look half bad

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