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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 12:02:40 PM »
The NEX-7 has a built in viewfinder.

And I hate to say it but I really like the way it looks.
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 12:49:46 PM »
So, that LARGE grip is a game changer. Maybe others will make a grip (not that 3rd party junk)
And, A Reflex mirrorbox for legacy glass? Maybe it has a movable eyepiece... Eye level and waist level viewing, -- maybe a sport finder attachment for viewing at small distance like the Nikon Sport or Canon Sport finder for the pre-digital film SLRs.

and a fast wide-portrait lens is welcome to the Sony fans.

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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 04:48:58 PM »
I ALWAYS get initially excited with nex announcements, then I think about lens sizes...that 24mm started up being a pancake and now its huge. That 3 million dot vf on the nex 7 sure is yummy though...the external vf attachment for the nex 5n is gonna have 2.5 million dots.
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itll be around 400$ with a translucent mirror inside (not bad), said to drain the battery 3 times faster!
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 06:17:07 PM »
The NEX-7 has a built in viewfinder.

And I hate to say it but I really like the way it looks.

]its the first sensible looking nex yet....not bad , if it has a real control interface and a thinking shooter butto and dial set , then they have a contender, if it has a killer sensor ill be very jealous
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 07:46:19 PM »
in case somebody hasnt noticed, this is a clear attempt to kill anything mirrorless (anything else i mean) and everything m4/3s. if the a77/nex 7 sensor is the godsend technical wonderland some think itll be , they might succeed.
The a77 is gonna be the first ISO 102,400 APS C camera...think about that...That means that somehow sony thinks the a77 sensor is at least (at the very least) 2 stops better than the current a55 sensor. Thats in the leaps and bounds better territory, and if it is so, the should start making full framers again ASAP
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 08:37:21 PM »
You really want a FF Sony at lower price don't you?  :D
Well, you may get your wish in a few years. I don't see FF in the $1500 range yet..
Make the G3 sensor in a FF, WOW....

I am thrilled at the ISO performance up to ISO 4000 with the G3...
Imagine almost 40% more area at and only increasing the MPs to 25mp, with a 4 core CPU....

Sony may have 3rd FF in a short time.. A new sensor, backlit maybe, and with it will called the A835L

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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 11:37:18 PM »
Somewhat off-topic, - but as 'world's first ISO 102.400 APS-C camera' is mentioned here, I come to thin of my 'first ever' car - a 1962 VW (yes, the 'beetle') that I barely could afford to buy with my own money late in '68.  It's speedo-meter had the readings to 220, or was it 240?  If I footed the gas pedal for a minute (or three) on the highway, preferably on a downhill stretch, I might be able to get the "Wagen" rolling to 140.  My point, where does it say that a camera manufacturer is prohibited from advertising an immense ISO capacity of a given camera, unless it actually delivers what is advertised, - in full compliance with whatever standard?  I'd be surprised to see any camera (sensor) produce a jpg, - or RAW for that matter, file, - that is 'clean' (or even close to clean) at ISO 3200, - within the next few years.   
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 01:05:06 AM »
Somewhat off-topic, - but as 'world's first ISO 102.400 APS-C camera' is mentioned here, I come to thin of my 'first ever' car - a 1962 VW (yes, the 'beetle') that I barely could afford to buy with my own money late in '68.  It's speedo-meter had the readings to 220, or was it 240?  If I footed the gas pedal for a minute (or three) on the highway, preferably on a downhill stretch, I might be able to get the "Wagen" rolling to 140.  My point, where does it say that a camera manufacturer is prohibited from advertising an immense ISO capacity of a given camera, unless it actually delivers what is advertised, - in full compliance with whatever standard?  I'd be surprised to see any camera (sensor) produce a jpg, - or RAW for that matter, file, - that is 'clean' (or even close to clean) at ISO 3200, - within the next few years.
true, last ISO settings are almost never (never) useful on any camera, BUT, they seem to be a sort of measurement of how much better the company thinks it has gotten. Top ISO 12k means a somewhat ( I said somewhat people!) Tolerable ISO 6400 and a fairly usable ISO 3200. Pentax thought they got a full 2 stops better from the k7 to the k5, they did, ISO 50k is garbage, but ISO 12k cleans up fairly good. If Sony doesn't back down from ISO 100k at the last minute, ISO 25k has to be (for them not to fail massively) fairly good, and ISO 12k has to be what m4/3s (gh2 or g3) does at ISO 3200. If they achieved this you can bet your sweet pineapple ass I'm getting at least an a65 come September 30.
But you know, all of this are just insane ramblings with absolutely no evidence based on patterns that I THINK I see in the camera world, so don't take me so seriously...
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 01:10:34 AM »
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that is 'clean' (or even close to clean) at ISO 3200
The Fuji x100 does it, but trough the most blasphemous of ways... Noise reduction applied even to the raw files!!!
They did a good job with it, they did, but still, its an unholy thing...
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 01:27:31 AM »
Nothing bad about the Fujifilm wondermachine from me (except for a couple of fix'es they need to do on their in-camera software, yhat is, - and my guess is that they are more ears than what is common in the branch).  Still I believe what I consider 'clean' might differ a tiny tad, or so, to Lisandra's?   :)
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 03:13:40 AM »
the iso 3200 [low NR applied , not defeatable] looks pretty damn good to me

i didnt know fuji cooked its raw files , not cool....they make such a big deal about raw on the x100 even going so far as having a button that says raw.

is my x 100 a camera or a microwave oven?

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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 03:14:19 AM »
I seriously hope the GF Pro and the PEN Pro look like the NEX-7.
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2011, 12:35:27 AM »
also the a77, nex 7 and vg20 are gonna support AVCHD 2.0, at 28mbits and full manual control in any mode (PASM). 1080p 60/50/25/24p, electronically removed rolling shutter in real time and a (supposedly) confirmed better video low light ISO performance than the 5D mark II.
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 11:54:30 AM »
Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 = $999
Too bad panther is not around anymore, he used to think the leica was expensive at 600$, wonder what he thinks about this...
Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS = $349
twice as expensive as the A mount version he compared the leica with
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2011, 11:59:23 AM »
He is over at mu-43 now  :'(

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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2011, 12:01:51 PM »
But, $1000.00 for a 38/1.8 Zeiss (fov) isn't bad at all.. In line with the ZM pricing on the FF Lenses in Leica M mount by Cosina.

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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2011, 12:13:56 PM »
But, $1000.00 for a 38/1.8 Zeiss (fov) isn't bad at all.. In line with the ZM pricing on the FF Lenses in Leica M mount by Cosina.
I dont think its bad, thats precisely the point (my point at least). A high quality, sharp, well built, zeiss/leica/anything lens is worth that kind of money and its pointless to compare it with lesser versions of the same FOV
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2011, 01:23:20 PM »
Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 = $999
Too bad panther is not around anymore, he used to think the leica was expensive at 600$, wonder what he thinks about this...
Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS = $349
twice as expensive as the A mount version he compared the leica with
At least compare like with like. The Leica is nowhere near as wide FoV, which gets much harder to design. And latest rumour says the Zeiss has a leaf shutter for super-silent shooting.
And the OSS being more expensive, that's roughly consistent with the Canon world at least, where if there are similar lenses with and without IS, a doubling of price is the right ballpark.
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2011, 01:26:44 PM »
We should give Sony a big thanks for bringing about the upcoming GF7. That is, unless Panasonic doesn't screw it up.
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2011, 09:07:57 PM »
more rumors!!! (new topic?)
Nikon is gonna announce the D5 (D3 successor) august 24-26 for sure!!! and theres a strong possibility of a D800 too! Their mirrorless thingie will use a 16mm sensor.
Canon rumors are tough to find but the 5d mk 3 is already being tested (for quite a while now) and the 1D successor has a confirmed 36 mp full frame sensor. Not on august 24 but theyll be announced shortly after. August 24- September 15 are gonna be fun days!!
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2011, 09:13:15 AM »
Canon have traditionally been better than most at keeping their secrets, so I wouldn't read too much into current rumours. If 36MP happens I'd love that in a 5D3 but would grudgingly take less. Regardless, it's a game of wait and see :)
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2011, 10:13:05 AM »
Canon have traditionally been better than most at keeping their secrets, so I wouldn't read too much into current rumours. If 36MP happens I'd love that in a 5D3 but would grudgingly take less. Regardless, it's a game of wait and see :)
despite the extra pixels, image quality should be above and beyond anything we've seen. They must've improved a lot in 3 years!
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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2011, 10:39:34 AM »
also the a77, nex 7 and vg20 are gonna support AVCHD 2.0, at 28mbits and full manual control in any mode (PASM). 1080p 60/50/25/24p, electronically removed rolling shutter in real time and a (supposedly) confirmed better video low light ISO performance than the 5D mark II.
Death to Panasonic apparently...

A lot of people see AVCHD 2.0 as a bit of joke. My hacked GH1 will do better than 28mbs and so will the AF100 unhacked. The GH3 will certainly support AVCHD 2.0 and it might even be possible on a GH2 with a firmware upgrade.

Sony at the moment has way more going on in the still camera sector and sometimes I think Panasonic is approaching the market half-heartedly, surprising since Sony and Panasonic take their competition very seriously at the top.

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Re: Sony has been busy
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2011, 11:29:41 PM »
Well, its disappointment time. Sony themselves rate the 24 mp sensor 1/3 of a stop better in noise performance, top ISO settings is a confirmed (and very weird) ISO 16000. People are pissed. If the sensor is 1/3 of a stop better and the old sensor could barely handle ISO 6400 (let alone 12k or 25k)(although 25k was with multishot and not bad) how does sony expect this sensor to handle 100k? Many long time and known sony pros are saying this camera deserved a better sensor, and they seriously doubt the sensor itself is better, they think more processing is gonna be involved. its also expensive, 1300-1400$ for a body only A77 and 150$ less for a very crippled A65. The nex 7 is gonna be over 1000$. No AF micro tuning as promised.  Sony admitted that the corners had to be heavily corrected on this sensor. The new 16-50 lens is gonna be 750 euros. Battery life was promised at more than 1000 shots, now it seems that was with the battery grip installed. No grip? 450 shots. its not weather sealed, its dust proof and moisture resistant. AF on the NEX 7 is faster than previous models but nowhere near panasonic or even olys EP 3. The zeiss 24mm is huge.
Sony is now nervously spiting statements left and right to get people pumped again.
The viewfinder has so many pixels you can no longer tell its electronic
(my fave)The GPS in the camera is the fastest in any camera

Panasonic has a real opportunity here if they STAY AT THE CURRENT PIXEL COUNT. I think they know it...from the CEO himself:
Using the same sensor technology from the G3 and nothing else, we can effortlessly make a sensor in the GH line thats 2/3-1 stop better of noise control (sensor snr). With newer technologies applied, and if pixel pitch is kept the same, an improvement of 1.5 stops could be made

all of this I got from 3 hours of web surfing, what do you think?
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