Author Topic: Fuji X10 with 4x fast zoom.... (Read 2759 times)

Em5 Pete · « **on:** August 31, 2011, 06:13:30 PM »

Fuji X10 images and specs

Fuji X10 images and specs 2

cosinaphile · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2011, 08:14:34 PM »

m..mmm..mmmmust own..... aaarrghlol

been following this it was confirmed some days back but this is the first one i see in the flesh , fuji is doing what olympus did with the pen back in the pleistocene 2009 CE, go fuji !

note to Oly and panny do you see what sony and fuji are up to ? what the hell are you waiting for!

this looks sweet!

adash · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2011, 08:47:44 PM »

This however is not the amazing sensor from X100, this is somewhere between a m4/3 and compact cameras:

8.8mm x 6.6mm 2/3"
vs.
13 x 17.3mm m4/3

Not that it's bad, but certainly it will be nowhere as good as X100.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2011, 08:59:40 PM »

true that , that how they can get a f 2- 2.8 zoom in a camera that small

the sensor is a larger class sensor than is typically used in the high end
compacts like the lx3\lx-5\ ex1\gx200\ g12\ s95 xz1 , thats a good thing

also it does iso 6400 but not at highest pixel count but rather M....
and it does 12800 but only at s resolution which suggests to me they are using pixels differently at these high isos to control noise

im guessing that it has superb high iso quality using these unussual steps to limit noise ... im guessing

lisandra · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:58:00 PM »

what happened to the x50?

cosinaphile · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2011, 02:48:29 AM »

x50 and x 10 are same camera for different markets

niva_explorer_photo · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2011, 03:13:54 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on August 31, 2011, 10:58:00 PM

what happened to the x50?

X50 and X10 are the same camera, the interesting thing would be to see what they do with a bigger number and interchangeable lenses...

adash · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2011, 03:20:58 AM »

I am still dreaming about a camera with X100 sensor, X100 appearance and m4/3 mount.....

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2011, 05:00:25 AM »

Oh Yeah, great design
Official X10 Website

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2011, 05:02:56 AM »

Another Video on the X10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj25re-1UpM

count_zero · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2011, 05:30:16 AM »

what is up with that optical view finder? All it does is show the same focal length that the lens is set on, or does it show the AF confirmation box like on the X100 as well? From the preview it looks to be nothing more than a cheesy zoom finder.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2011, 06:50:32 AM »

Quote from: count_zero on September 01, 2011, 05:30:16 AM

what is up with that optical view finder? All it does is show the same focal length that the lens is set on, or does it show the AF confirmation box like on the X100 as well? From the preview it looks to be nothing more than a cheesy zoom finder.

Yes, from the X10 Website/Viewfinder... 3rd tab

it is an option, with center point AF, it should be easy enough to judge what is focused on...

The high-precision viewfinder magnification perfectly synchs with the zoom lens
The viewfinder incorporates a 4x zoom lens mechanism, so even when you're zooming in on your subject, the view through the glass lens and prism elements is as bright and clear as if you were to see it with your naked eye.

adash · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2011, 07:02:17 AM »

My Oly mu-II zoom many years ago had such a VF - Zooming together with main lens and showing a small square in the center, (approximately) where the AF point was. It was both bright and large and had indicator LEDs on the side.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2011, 07:44:18 AM »

Yeah, it should have an AF Confirm, and it might, time will tell.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2011, 08:30:03 PM »

im guessing info will be on the bottom of the ovf rectangle , like the old days
i really like the evf of the x100 its a shame its not being used

still looks awesome , i want this and will probably sell my samsung tl500
and one of my gf1 bodies to raise some funds beyond my monthly allowance i give myself

Pat Donnelly · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2011, 05:28:35 AM »

Sorry, not interested. Sensor is small, non-interchangeable lens.

It is a P+S!!

If it keeps Fuji going then a good thing and maybe we will get a decent system?

rsndn · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2011, 07:36:02 AM »

looks great

cosinaphile · « **Reply #17 on:** September 03, 2011, 08:00:54 AM »

Quote from: Pat Donnelly on September 02, 2011, 05:28:35 AM

Sorry, not interested. Sensor is small, non-interchangeable lens.

It is a P+S!!

If it keeps Fuji going then a good thing and maybe we will get a decent system?

your right pat it is a point and shooot , but its small sensor is a special design, that allows quality high iso with a smaller pixel output buy combining pixel info ,ie pigger pixel wells for tough light situiations

it does raw has a lens that could be great f 2 to 2.8 , i dont dismiss the high end point and shooots , they have nothing in common with the cheap flood of compacts produced every year evxeptthe fixed lens

and fixed lens isnt a sin

another thing the sensor is larger that that used in other high end compactslike thevv panny lx 3\5, ricoh gx-200 oly xz-1, canons95[ ichoose to ignore nikon p and s ]
at low, normal isos... 64 to about 200 you would be hard pressed to see a difference between quality snd sharpness between high end point and shoots and somer larger sensored cameras in most viewing situations

sometimes having a high quality machine in a jacket pocket with a 28-112 f2 to 2.8 lens that shoots raw
with really good iso 3200 can be a great asset, its no replacement for a more serious camera , but its a great thing to have

im really looking forward to a system from fuji too, but fujis in great shape , their revenues are , i think many times that of nikon

rsndn · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2011, 08:07:40 AM »

i love the fact that you switch it on by turning the lens.

adash · « **Reply #19 on:** September 03, 2011, 10:59:10 AM »

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sometimes having a high quality machine in a jacket pocket with a 28-112 f2 to 2.8 lens that shoots raw
with really good iso 3200 can be a great asset, its no replacement for a more serious camera , but its a great thing to have

But you already have one. Do you expect this to be better than your Samsung Enthusiast-class P&S?

cosinaphile · « **Reply #20 on:** September 03, 2011, 12:59:03 PM »

Quote from: adash on September 03, 2011, 10:59:10 AM

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sometimes having a high quality machine in a jacket pocket with a 28-112 f2 to 2.8 lens that shoots raw
with really good iso 3200 can be a great asset, its no replacement for a more serious camera , but its a great thing to have
But you already have one. Do you expect this to be better than your Samsung Enthusiast-class P&S?

yes the build q will be equiv , the samsung is a tank, but sometimes i dont like the images it does compared to my gxr with saythe 24-72 eqv module... i do like the samsung alot ,but i like the gx 200 too ...even with its
sub-par high iso.... the gxr is great too ,i just like cameras and when i tire of one i sell it or give it away

this new fuji x 10 will have a better sensor than that found in the current crop of high end point and shoots
it uses pixel combine technology toproduce iso 6400 files at 6 mp and iso 12,800 at 3 mp a refreshing honest and intelligent approach that put reality ahead of sensor bragging rights .
this could have made the wonderful nex 7 by sony a more appealing camera at extreme isos,
but sony aint fuji..........different philosophies and strategies.......just like different masters have different kung fu
strength and weaknessess manifest differently, i also am getting spoild by the fujifilm x 100 sensor and especially the viewfinder to the point where i put my ep1 up to my eye accidently! lol this fuji looks like it might become the top ;oint and shoot...... look for another similar camera from fuji to have 24- 90 mm lens

i want to own the nex7, this new fuji, and also the interchangable fuji that will be revealed soon

some cameras i dont want at all! nikon and canon point and shoots [ except for the s 90\95 ] hold no excitement
i kind of want the pentax q too to see if i can adapt lenses to it, imagine my canon fd 200 mm 2.8 on the q? it would give 1080mm f 2.8 equiv.............WOW!

i own both the ep1 and the gf1 they are similar in mount and resolution , yet i get much better results with
my ep1 and the jpeg output of the ep1 is great , it seems jusyt to produce nicer files than the gf1
differnet users can have different experences ,

adash · « **Reply #21 on:** September 03, 2011, 09:22:50 PM »

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this new fuji x 10 will have a better sensor than that found in the current crop of high end point and shoots

The difference is marginal:

7.18x5.32mm for 1/1.8"
8.80x6.60mm for 2/3"
17.3x13mm for 4/3 (Just for a comparison).

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it uses pixel combine technology toproduce iso 6400 files at 6 mp and iso 12,800 at 3 mp a refreshing honest and intelligent approach that put reality ahead of sensor bragging rights .

I think they all do it. I never had an ordinary P&S except a crappy Praktica, but I believe that they all do ISO3200 and above with a lower resolution. Obviously this one is better as it does ISO 12800, but at 3MPix you are returning to year 2000 basically.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #22 on:** September 03, 2011, 11:20:20 PM »

none of my high end point and shoots , and that would include the gxr with the "24-72"module, the gx-200 and the samsung try to lessen noise with this technique, in fact the apsc and m4\3 could benefit from this ....
but dont
a clean 3mp file is larger than almost any web use it may be called to do...
12800 is like emergancy iso but in dim roomlight with folks moving too much
it can freeze action without flash
a 3 mp file can give you a print at 4x6 or 5x7 that is indistinguishable from a large sensor print ..........9 x 12 and 8x10s look great too , a cleaner file of 3 mp is preferable to a crappy file of any size,... like high iso [6400 of 12800] from most micro 4\3 or from the nex7 that claim isos that no one will shoot at due to the extremely poor quality of the file

and i believe the larger sensor has a real differenceover 1.7 s

cosinaphile · « **Reply #23 on:** September 04, 2011, 05:52:12 AM »

Quote from: adash on September 03, 2011, 09:22:50 PM

Quote
this new fuji x 10 will have a better sensor than that found in the current crop of high end point and shoots
The difference is marginal:

7.18x5.32mm for 1/1.8"
8.80x6.60mm for 2/3"
17.3x13mm for 4/3 (Just for a comparison).

the sensor area for the new fuji x 10 is 58.8 sq mm [8.80x6.60mm= 58.8]
the sensor area for p&s 1/1.8 size is 38..19 sq mm [7.18x5.32mm=38.19]

thats an increase of over 20 sq mm from a sensor thats less than 40 sq mm. thats more than 50 % larger , a meaningful difference i think.
i believe fuji will make good use of that extra area with their in house designed sensor and make one that all other high end compacts will be forced to emulate to keep up with the bar that fuji raises . their work with the x 100 sensor convinces me that this new smaller sensor will also amaze with its excellent performance .

just mho

rogerml · « **Reply #24 on:** September 04, 2011, 07:00:53 AM »

Seems to be some minor mix-up here, cosinaphile. Correct should be: The Fuji X10 sensor (2/3"): w:8.8mm - h:6.6mm - area: 58.1mm2 ['çrop factor'=3.93)
In comparison: (1/1.8"): w:7.18mm - h: 5.32mm - area: 38.2mm (= 52.1% greater areal).

Your point that this is a significant larger sensor compared to what many (of the high end) P&S cameras are equipped with, is, however, to the point. My price guess: US$ 499.00.
For sure looks to be a nice travel companion for anyone serious about photography. The 'form and design factor' is ten out of ten as far as I'm concerned.

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