Author Topic: fuji to use an entirely new organic sensor in the upcoming LX (Read 1770 times)

cosinaphile · « **on:** November 16, 2011, 09:15:07 AM »

fuji has said that this new camera will have better than full frame IQ , but it looks like its size will be apsc.....how will that be possible? perhaps this new sensor will be the key to a sea change in sensor efficiency and better s\n ratios

i am so looking forward to this new camera , , i wish olympus developed something this important , instead of squandering their name and reputation on short term financial skulduggery , corporate enrichment, cosmetics , waste management ...and what ever other nonsense preoccupied them , instead of sensor development... a billion dollars could have bought alot of R&D to developbetter sensors for their pen line

EDIT: 5 BILLION DOLLAR COULD HAVE BOUGHT.........

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/will-fuji-use-a-new-organic-sensor-is-that-the-key-to-beat-fullframe-sensors/]http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/will-fuji-use-a-new-organic-sensor-is-that-the-key-to-beat-fullframe-sensors/[/url]

asterinex · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:15:38 AM »

An organic sensor. Sounds very interesting.
I'm curious.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2011, 11:43:26 AM »

imagine a 48 mp sensor on apsc with the noise profile of a 6 mp sensor

im curious too what if it multiplies sensor s\n benefits by a factor of 4 or 8??or allows twice the light to be gathered per pixel?

current technology lack efficiency and wastes a lot of light energy and space on the sensor this ....could be big
[ but not full frame

]

lisandra · « **Reply #3 on:** November 16, 2011, 12:20:43 PM »

I've been reading about this forever. What does organic entail exactly?

cosinaphile · « **Reply #4 on:** November 16, 2011, 12:33:42 PM »

i think it s organic in the sense that it uses complex carbon compounds like living systems do to compartmentalize reactions and create interactive chemical structure that can interact in varied and complex ways , this vs silicon a quasi-metal element that must be highly purified and fabed into perfect wafers to be used for chips in computers or cameras

organic substitutes can be flexible and therefore much less expensive and simpler to create they also can have unusual properties and efficiencies compared to older technologies

this sensor was only recently announced via a patent , the sensors you read about must have bee different i think

lisandra · « **Reply #5 on:** November 16, 2011, 12:35:27 PM »

That sorta looks like the patent from Panasonic everyone ignored...
The Google translate is awful but the basic idea is the same but instead of mentioning the no use of ir filter it mentions the no use of aa filter...please panny, make it!
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2011-08-19

panzerfaustnl · « **Reply #6 on:** November 16, 2011, 04:10:19 PM »

Cool, imagine what you have on full frame format if aps-c already is that good.

voyager · « **Reply #7 on:** November 16, 2011, 08:03:37 PM »

And thus the first Terminator is created.

count_zero · « **Reply #8 on:** November 16, 2011, 11:58:06 PM »

I guess it means no rBST was used in making the sensor.

voyager · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2011, 12:01:45 AM »

If I could like your comment, I would.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:07:41 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on November 16, 2011, 12:35:27 PM

That sorta looks like the patent from Panasonic everyone ignored...
The Google translate is awful but the basic idea is the same but instead of mentioning the no use of ir filter it mentions the no use of aa filter...please panny, make it!
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2011-08-19

i had not seen that before , i hope its developed too

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #11 on:** November 18, 2011, 12:59:17 AM »

I have high hopes for this camera. If they've managed to keep it free from all the issues that held the X100 back, I will most definitely be getting one.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #12 on:** November 18, 2011, 11:31:07 AM »

Quote from: mynameisjonas on November 18, 2011, 12:59:17 AM

I have high hopes for this camera. If they've managed to keep it free from all the issues that held the X100 back, I will most definitely be getting one.

the firmware fixes makes the x 100 a very useable and enjoyable camera , with outstanding microcontrast and micro detail image quality and class leading high iso abilities , it is , by far , the best camera i own . i still use and love micro 4\3 but i need more from it , i hope fuji supplies the sensors for future m 4\3 cameras from olympus , assuming olympus has a single yen to spare at this point in their business practices

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #13 on:** November 18, 2011, 03:44:41 PM »

Ummmmm
Fuji making sensors for Olympus...
That would be a very interesting outcome... It would, yet again, up the IQ for m4/3
If they have any money, $:-\$

voyager · « **Reply #14 on:** November 18, 2011, 05:36:43 PM »

It would be amazing if Fuji was able to establish them as a serious professional camera maker now, and they've done quite a good job so far with the X100 and the X10, but I fear that things may once again go the way of the S5 Pro, nowhere.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2011, 08:30:02 PM »

Quote from: voyager on November 18, 2011, 05:36:43 PM

It would be amazing if Fuji was able to establish them as a serious professional camera maker now, and they've done quite a good job so far with the X100 and the X10, but I fear that things may once again go the way of the S5 Pro, nowhere.

the s 5 pro was warmed over nikon with a fuji sensor , it had class leading dynamic range for its time and was used by many wedding shooters i am led to understand...i think using nikon bodies to house fujis sensors was always a half baked solution for them as it proved for kodak too with nikon, fujifilm is on a mission now ,

i believe they will be incredibly successful with this interchangeable lens camera.... they have brought anew attitude to cameras , which is actually an old attitude , no nonsense controls , direct control of p s a m without a p s a m dial! ss dial and f stop ring only it will have all the appeal of a nex 7 but not have a ridiculously overpacked apsc sensor to damage high iso performance as sony foolishly chose to do.... the build will be rare no polycarbonate a solid but light magnesium alloy

they may be the first to actually get a certain type of enthusist camera right! sony almost did it with the nex 7 but cant seem to make a lens i want or a sensor i respect[24 apsc pixels = noisy sensor ] the brilliant e-p1 and gf-1 broke new ground and offers a compellling great to use camera , but have failed to evolve into what people want which is that form factor with a built in evf ...the gx-1 / same problem samsung has nice lenses but no vf ....nikon has the v1 with a lovely build and a great evf , but where are the controls? missing in action, and despite having nice iq , its sensor is too small imho

fujifilm ....brilliant dual ovf evf built in ... lens mount launching with a apsc equiv fov lenses a "28"mm f2 "50"ish 1.4 and a "90" f? brilliant... that new organic sensor with better than full frame perf [ hopefully] but according to fuji]

, i ask you , what is not to like

?

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #16 on:** November 21, 2011, 04:40:48 AM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on November 18, 2011, 11:31:07 AM

Quote from: mynameisjonas on November 18, 2011, 12:59:17 AM
I have high hopes for this camera. If they've managed to keep it free from all the issues that held the X100 back, I will most definitely be getting one.

the firmware fixes makes the x 100 a very useable and enjoyable camera , with outstanding microcontrast and micro detail image quality and class leading high iso abilities , it is , by far , the best camera i own .

Yes, I know it's a great camera. But imagine what an absolute monster it would be if it was as quick and responsive as an E-P3 or GX1...

cosinaphile · « **Reply #17 on:** November 21, 2011, 08:21:45 AM »

Quote from: mynameisjonas on November 21, 2011, 04:40:48 AM

Quote from: cosinaphile on November 18, 2011, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: mynameisjonas on November 18, 2011, 12:59:17 AM
I have high hopes for this camera. If they've managed to keep it free from all the issues that held the X100 back, I will most definitely be getting one.

the firmware fixes makes the x 100 a very useable and enjoyable camera , with outstanding microcontrast and micro detail image quality and class leading high iso abilities , it is , by far , the best camera i own .

Yes, I know it's a great camera. But imagine what an absolute monster it would be if it was as quick and responsive as an E-P3 or GX1...

i cannot argue with that logic,problems remain , af is fine but nothing to brag about with the x100, other issue remain sadly. the the x10 af speed is much better....
imagine the monsters the ep3 could have been with a new sensor and built in evf,imagine what a gx1 with evf might be too ?

i don't understand camera companies............. fuji , oly and panny all

lisandra · « **Reply #18 on:** November 21, 2011, 11:49:26 AM »

what one lacks, the other does, vice versa

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2011, 02:24:48 PM »

I read somewhere that Leica may use this sensor in future "M" class cameras... just a rumor, I think on 43-Rumors...

voyager · « **Reply #20 on:** November 21, 2011, 11:15:15 PM »

I know Fuji is good with sensors, but why would Canon be afraid of them? The S5 Pro was horrible in low light situations for noise.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #21 on:** November 21, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »

the sensors in the x100 and x 10 are both extraordinary for their size..... class leading in fact imho

adash · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2011, 12:40:44 AM »

Hm....organic semiconductor sensor, I wondered who was going to be the first to make it! But has the technology matured enough, especially having in mind the short service life of early OLED displays....

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