Author Topic: Fuji releases X-Pro system (Read 5174 times)

voyager · « **Reply #50 on:** January 11, 2012, 03:08:30 PM »

I had no idea this camera would create such a stir. The main point is that it will satisfy those who want to buy it.

lisandra · « **Reply #51 on:** January 11, 2012, 03:16:10 PM »

Back to it then...

Remember the size comparison tool i posted a while back? Im sure you do

, anyway, the fuji x is up and you an get a real grasp of the size with the tool. Its not that big, big for APS C but its just the same as an m9, or about the same as a pentax k5 without the hump. Here it is compared to a PEN 3, looks gigantic in comparison. Click on the magnifying glass next to the name of the camera and then write the size of your screen to get a actual size magnification of the camera.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,155

voyager · « **Reply #52 on:** January 11, 2012, 03:19:00 PM »

It's the same size as a Nikon D90.

tamoio · « **Reply #53 on:** January 11, 2012, 03:36:51 PM »

Quote from: voyager on January 11, 2012, 03:19:00 PM

It's the same size as a Nikon D90.

Its huge.

One of the most interesting things I find about the body is that it says "made in Japan" on it. That might make it collectible before long

RT_Panther · « **Reply #54 on:** January 11, 2012, 04:15:55 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on January 11, 2012, 12:06:53 PM

Think about it, aside from holding the thing, one hand has to control the zooming, aperture, and possibly focusing, then with the thumb of the other hand you gotta change the shutter speed and use the index finger to change ISO (if you put it in the function on top) and with the same finger take the photo. That better be one static subject.

Think about this.
There were sports photographers who shot with film & they did it all manually.....
The object doesn't have to be static....

RT_Panther · « **Reply #55 on:** January 11, 2012, 04:18:19 PM »

Quote from: spinyman on January 11, 2012, 11:45:21 AM

Clearly there is a cool factor to these Fuji cameras that people want.I love the style myself.To the point of possibly considering a purchase.No doubt,it is this retro design that has propelled the Olympus line to their success.I'm not saying it is the only reason they have sold well.They are great cameras that function well.Fuji has gone a step further with the speed dials and lens mounted aperture control.I don't see this as a better functioning solution than the thumb wheels of the Oly/Lumix models.There are people who reject anything in camera design that is not completely and absolutely function oriented.I'm not one of those.There is a place for these retro styled cameras just as the there is for the most modern designs.
I shoot almost exclusively in Aperture mode,I'm not alone here.The speed setting is something I rarely change.Does it bother me that it is so prominent on the top of the Fuji? Not really.I still use my Nikon FA which has the same dial placement.It's functional but not the best use of the real estate.But I think it is integral to the overall retro design of the camera.

+1

RT_Panther · « **Reply #56 on:** January 11, 2012, 04:20:33 PM »

Quote from: voyager on January 11, 2012, 03:08:30 PM

I had no idea this camera would create such a stir. The main point is that it will satisfy those who want to buy it.

I suppose this is to be expected.
Just like many thought the X100 would fail - things are no different with this new system from Fuji....

RT_Panther · « **Reply #57 on:** January 11, 2012, 04:34:04 PM »

Quote from: adash on January 11, 2012, 01:18:15 PM

Maybe the "retro" folks overestimate the fashionable looks of the retro itself, overrating their own thought capacity by separating themselves from the "modern" croud, in an attempt to conceal a deeper deficiency, known only to the subconscious inner mind?

As in the past, nice insult towards me....I get your message loud and clear

I'll leave this as is.....

cosinaphile · « **Reply #58 on:** January 11, 2012, 04:51:37 PM »

i hate most of humanity , in a general sense , i hate modern lens design , i think its crap generally speaking ,
i like the folks here at e-p1.net , i love most of my family, get along well with most of my neighbors

adash... please recommend a treatment center for me immediately

thanks!

RT_Panther · « **Reply #59 on:** January 11, 2012, 04:59:08 PM »

Cheers!

voyager · « **Reply #60 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:00:21 PM »

Are you going to buy one, Panther?

RT_Panther · « **Reply #61 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:11:48 PM »

Quote from: voyager on January 11, 2012, 05:00:21 PM

Are you going to buy one, Panther?

Well,
Since I've been labeled by adash as having as having a "deeper deficiency, known only to the subconscious inner mind"...What do you think?

voyager · « **Reply #62 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:26:50 PM »

I think that answer has nothing to do with my question. So I'll ask again, do you think you'll buy one?

RT_Panther · « **Reply #63 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:32:49 PM »

Quote from: voyager on January 11, 2012, 05:26:50 PM

I think that answer has nothing to do with my question. So I'll ask again, do you think you'll buy one?

Actually,
That answer does have a lot to do with your question.....

As to whether or not I'm purchasing one, well....we'll just have to wait and see.....(keyword being "we'll" meaning you and I)

rogerml · « **Reply #64 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:40:21 PM »

I'd like to think you'll buy one, Panther. And at it, why not buy one for adash, as well.

For me it is with cameras as with cars, - FUNCTIONALITY is important, but it's not ONLY functionality, a LOT has to do with DESIGN. But even good design doesn't do it for me, if it doesn't DRIVE well.

RT_Panther · « **Reply #65 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:44:55 PM »

Quote from: rogerml on January 11, 2012, 05:40:21 PM

I'd like to think you'll buy one, Panther.

Still have yet to see what Olympus will release on 8 Feb 2012

adash · « **Reply #66 on:** January 11, 2012, 11:22:40 PM »

Quote from: RT_Panther on January 11, 2012, 04:34:04 PM

Quote from: adash on January 11, 2012, 01:18:15 PM
Maybe the "retro" folks overestimate the fashionable looks of the retro itself, overrating their own thought capacity by separating themselves from the "modern" croud, in an attempt to conceal a deeper deficiency, known only to the subconscious inner mind?

As in the past, nice insult towards me....I get your message loud and clear
I'll leave this as is.....

Loud and clear: you started it, with insulting Lisandra with "have to eat your own words" and everybody who disliked the fake mechanical shutter with "it's beyond their thought capacity...."
You're a grown up man, you understand the logic in life and are well aware of cause and consequence, aren't you? In this respect, Please do not insult other people, in order not to get the same in return. Thank you.

Now, on the design - I adore my 1955 Zorki I, and it has a shutter speed dial on top. It is directly connected to the right drum of the cloth shutter, and was more or less the only position in which it could be mounted back then. In 1955, apart from changing film, the only thing you could do in order to control exposure, was to change aperture and shutter speed.

"Modern" digital cameras can do that, and much more - we can change ISO speed, WB, curves, metering pattern, shutter behavior, HDR, panorama, all within the camera. From all those settings, the shutter speed is something that the camera really excels in, and it is actually much better than us. All other settings have a much deeper meaning in the artistic expression of a photographer, but Fuji decided to leave them in a deep down "modern" menu, instead of being directly accessible via a programmable dial on top.

That is why I don't like this camera. Thank you for reading my post.

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #67 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:15:22 AM »

Quote from: voyager on January 11, 2012, 03:19:00 PM

It's the same size as a Nikon D90.

It's a bit wider than the D90, but it's much thinner and it doesn't have a hump up top. Plus the lenses are much smaller. The Fuji with the 35mm is actually about the same depth as a GX1 with the PanaLeica 25mm Summilux. So in practice I think you'd still perceive it as significantly more compact than any DSLR.

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #68 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:33:59 AM »

As for the shutter dial discussion... I know for a fact that there are lots and lots of people who still shoot manually, even with cameras that have the most advanced AE functions. Once you've got Sunny 16 and those other 'rules' down, it may sometimes be quicker to shoot manually. Sure, cameras are really smart these days, but they are machines, they can't make aesthetic choices. If you have a very high contrast scene, and you want to bring out detail in a certain part of the frame, it's quicker and easier to just set your shutter speed and click (if you know your shit), than to have to fiddle with exposure comp and/or metering mode to get it the way you want.
I personally haven't mastered any of that, so to me an ISO dial would have been more useful, but I can definitely see why the shutter speed dial is there.

adash · « **Reply #69 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:01:43 AM »

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I know for a fact that there are lots and lots of people who still shoot manually, even with cameras that have the most advanced AE functions.

I am not one of them myself, as long as the camera provides Aperture priority. Or if I don't shoot with studio lights alone, for which shutter speed is anyway irrelevant.

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Once you've got Sunny 16 and those other 'rules' down, it may sometimes be quicker to shoot manually.

You're missing one point - film was much more forgiving than digital. At least negative film, for which the Sunny-16 was made for. Digital is much more like slide film, with its tendency to blow out detail in highlights. That's why I let the camera do the hard work of determining exposure. The metering compensation button is my friend in case I need to emphasize on shadow or highlight detail. I see X-1 pro has a dedicated dial for that, which is basically a good thing.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #70 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:06:45 AM »

"Based on samples we saw today that were captured with a prototype camera, the sensor really shines with low light shooting -- the X-Pro1 can produce usable 16-by-20-inch prints even at ISO 25,600, which is the maximum supported sensitivity. Identical images shot with the 5D Mark II showed significant noise in shadow areas, while the Sony Alpha A77 (NEX-7) produced an image that you certainly wouldn't want hanging on a wall. The playing field was much more even at ISO 6400, where all three cameras captured usable images -- noise was still visible on both the Canon and Sony cameras, though it was indistinguishable in the Fujifilm print. Again, all of these samples were provided by Fujifilm, and were not the result of independent testing."

from engaget

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #71 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:08:22 AM »

Quote from: adash on January 12, 2012, 01:01:43 AM

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Once you've got Sunny 16 and those other 'rules' down, it may sometimes be quicker to shoot manually.
You're missing one point - film was much more forgiving than digital. At least negative film, for which the Sunny-16 was made for. Digital is much more like slide film, with its tendency to blow out detail in highlights.

I know the Sunny 16 rule was developed for negative film, it was just an example. My point was that people who have learned to 'meter' by eye can apply their knowledge to any media they're shooting on, and take into account any risks associated with respective media.
I know these people are getting fewer each day, but they're still around.

adash · « **Reply #72 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:42:06 AM »

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My point was that people who have learned to 'meter' by eye can apply their knowledge to any media they're shooting on, and take into account any risks associated with respective media.

I believe you're wrong when it comes to digital cameras. You will have <some> exposure, but nowhere near the perfection that the camera itself will achieve.

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I know these people are getting fewer each day, but they're still around.

I don't happen to know anyone who can do it with digital. Without looking at the lightmeter, of course. On the other hand, I myself cope with negative film pretty well. Outdoors, at least.

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #73 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:55:26 AM »

I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying these people always shoot manually and never consult a light meter. What I am saying is that sometimes a person with many years experience of shooting manually will know exactly what shutter / aperture / ISO combination will give them the exposure they are after, and in these cases they prefer to just set their shutter speed manually, rather than to have to choose the metering mode / exposure comp that will give them that shutter speed while in A mode.

RT_Panther · « **Reply #74 on:** January 12, 2012, 05:16:16 AM »

Quote from: adash on January 11, 2012, 11:22:40 PM

Loud and clear: you started it,

Yes, I got you loud and clear.
I still haven't forgotten your un-proved insults towards America

Note: "You started" is so childish but I will be an adult about it & apologize to Lisandra.....I expect the same from you to me - that is if you're an adult

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