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This was posted in a Flickr thread:

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This is a good point, but manual focus lenses aren't quite mainstream. If anything, in-body image stabilization is currently a disadvantage, as optical image stabilization (as included in many of Panasonic's lenses) is superior for video, yet as long as Olympus uses IBIS, they will never use OIS. From what I understand, Olympus' form of image stabilization for video is digital, cropping pixels off and shifting the image in order to compensate for camera movement. It's not as good as optical stabilization. Their "sensor shift" image stabilizer is said to overheat if activated for too long, which is why it's not used for video.


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Nothing new. This has always been the arguments thrown around by both camps. I picked Olympus, and Sony DSLR before that, because of IBIS since stabilised fast primes give that edge in low light situations without resorting to adding lighting, and it is something I miss from my current Canon cameras thus leaving the door open to E-P1. Think NEX was claimed to have switched to lens stabilisation due to video. Sony SLT have a bad reputation for sensor overheating in video due to a combination of IBIS and fixed mirror keeping the heat in.

Being realistic, you can have body and lens stabilisation and pick the best one for the situation. You can do that by using the appropriate Panasonic lens on Olympus body.
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I wonder how the Sony in-body image stabilization fares ?

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I think the main reason IBIS isn't available for video shooting on the Olympus must be the horrendous noise it makes. When you think about how the sounds of some lenses focusing and changing apertures make it onto the audio (and they are very quiet by comparison) the "grinding" of the IBIS would render the soundtrack completely useless.

That said I love the IBIS in my E-P1 and would take it over a Panasonic any day because it's so useful for legacy lenses. And if I wanted to do video I could just get a Panasonic lens. Or buy a better, more video oriented (AVCHD) camera. The other option for stabilising video from a PEN is to turn off the cropping IBIS and do it in post with software so that you only crop what's necessary rather than a predetermined amount.

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i believe IBIS is necessary , i want it ina camera , for video use a video lens with OIS, one that zooms almost silently   , just turn off the IBIS , that the solution   


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I was surprised how good Pentax K-r's IBIS was for video. I never tried more than 5 mins at a time, but I guess if it was prone to overheat, they would have disabled it with video and someone would complain about this on the web forums.
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OIS might be better but ibis is just way more.convenient. it works really good on the Sony but it overheads and shuts down in a couple of minutes
More megapixels don't necessarily mean more resolution...

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I see two big problems with OIS. First, lenses with OIS are bigger and more expensive. This is especially an issue with mirrorless systems where size is one of the main advantages. Second, if you like to use primes you are just out of luck as few primes come with OIS.

If you are interested in video, seems like you would have a lens optimized for video to control focusing noise. These lenses are likely to have OIS, so as already mentioned, it just becomes a matter of turning the IBIS off and using the OIS.

To me IBIS is a huge selling point. Maybe I am overemphasizing the importance of IS because I am a novice photographer but I tend to lose a lot of photos when I dont have access to IS when I use primes on my Canon dslr compared to when I use my E-P2. Maybe this will become less important when my technique gets better but till then I am firmly in the IBIS camp.

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It has been a while since I had a camera with IBIS, I had a Pentax K20d and an Olympus E-510. Both had great IBIS. I did like the IBIS, it is a big plus for adapted lenses. I do miss it with my G1, but, I am old school guy, you know grew up without any IS of any kind... in the old days of film and early digital...

I probably don't use IBIS or OIS as consideration when buying a camera.

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For what it's worth when I got my PEN I tried my Panasonic 14-140mm which has OIS on my E-P1 switching between OIS (turning off IBIS) and IBIS (turning off OIS). I took 20 shots each of the same object at the same zoom, light, aperture etc to see if there was much of a difference. All the IBIS shots were fine, three of the OIS shots didn't stabilise well enough to be usable. Not a very scientific test really but interesting and made me love IBIS more.

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2011, 12:30:46 PM »
It I am old school guy, you know grew up without any IS of any kind...

Exactly.....

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2011, 06:58:58 PM »
guys i grew up without autofocus and without digital too  :o

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2011, 07:57:51 PM »
guys i grew up without autofocus and without digital too  :o

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2011, 08:48:02 PM »
We are showing are age  :P ::) 8)
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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2011, 09:19:58 PM »
Apparently I am too, because I remember before there was IS in every camera.
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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 10:29:15 PM »
IS is not that old
More megapixels don't necessarily mean more resolution...

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2011, 10:53:53 PM »
OIS has the huge disadvantage that it's not really feasible on fast lenses. So it's typically only available on slow zooms. This kinda defeats it's purpose as you are forced to use a slow lens instead of a fast.

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2011, 07:38:24 AM »
Well isn't that the point though? Because you can use them at slower shutter speeds to "imitate" the faster lens?
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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2011, 10:10:15 AM »
Yes, it allows you use a slower speed  (or lower ISO) in lower light situations. There are differences in the benefits/cons of each. And each person must decide which is a better match on the benefits.

I am not used having OIS or IBIS for a while, so I just kick up the ISO.. But, with having so may adapted lenses,  ( I am about to be given a box of Pentax M42 lenses from my repair guy  :D)... IBIS makes sense for me.
And, I may very well move to an Oly body before Fall.
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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2011, 10:41:23 AM »

And, I may very well move to an Oly body before Fall.

Come over to the dark side - it's fine really and you'll be able to get steadier pics too.

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2011, 08:38:37 PM »
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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2011, 09:44:00 AM »
I have an excellent tripod but do not carry it everywhere with me... no kidding!

Hence IBIS is essential and the main reason I chose Olympus over Panasonic. I am so used to the convenience and freedom it allows -- spoiled by Pentax!
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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2011, 10:55:16 AM »
I too chose Olympus over Panasonic because of the IBIS. But some reviews have commented how the Olympus IBIS struggles at longer focal lengths (like the long end of the 14-150), making it really useful for only about an extra stop, not the 3-4 stops that Olympus would have you believe (I can vouch for that personally).

And I'm still sore at why Olympus can't do full-time stabilization (like the excellent Mega-OIS in my Panasonic TZ5).  >:(

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Re: 'Interesting Information About Olympus In-Body Image Stabilization'
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2011, 03:36:25 PM »
I love having my E-P1 on a tripod, especially when its windy, because the weight of my other camera will cause motion blur, but that never happens with the E-P1 and kit lens because of the almost weightlessness.
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