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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2011, 12:36:07 PM »
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I think Panasonic's next generation sensor will answer all the Sony challenges and probably introduce some innovations of their own.
Agreed, the never ending race makes users think someone is always behind

It's the "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" effect.  :P

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2011, 03:44:34 AM »
No.

No,no!

But competition is a good thing. NEX etc cannot use c mount lenses, because they have stuck themselves in with Canikon!

Oly and Pani have it all to themselves.... until Pentax Q and kenko take off, if they do. So that is why they are lazy and creaming it. Who else makes 4/3? AsI have said before, using twobacks and the best lenses is where it is going any way, or else using the lightest kit. Once Sony, Canikon come up with ibis or better cine, Oly and Pani will develop the products they have in mind. Until then, they produce as many cameras as they can sell, that is the market saying they are spot on.

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2011, 06:27:12 AM »
they started the mirrorless market as we know it just 2 years ago

i would say they have defined the curve, if they could get their hands on a  better sensor   they would be unstoppable


the ep3 is the new standard for af speed , offered consumers solid construction and metal build at non leica prices ,[ being copied across the board]    the new x 100, which i love ,would not exist if the ep1 hadnt shown fuji, and the whole industry , a retro styled quality machine was strongly sought in  the marketplace

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2011, 06:40:12 AM »
And Fuji is going to take-off with this... the X10 will sell like hot cakes IMO, and Fuji is most likely in the development stage of an Interchangeable Lens camera that looks similar to the X100, Maybe the X1? Fuji has the guts to move quickly when they see an opportunity.

Canon/Nikon are too Conservative in their thinking.. and WAIT to MAKE SURE the market is not a fast fad to disappear in a few years....But, when they do move into Mirror-less, their "Branding" will make up for lost ground..

I really want to see Olympus/Panasonic come out with a "Next Gen" advance to leave Sony in the dust and make it "That much harder" for Canikon to play catch up....
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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2011, 05:31:08 AM »
I literally laughed when I read this... Olympus and Panasonic aren't in a losing end in any competition, they OWN the M43 market! Aside from that, the NEX is shit, I've tried the NEX 3-7, and all 3 of them were simply toys to me IMO. They are like Sony products, they look minimal and appealing, but they work like shit.

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2011, 02:43:14 PM »
Everybody here is focussing on the camera, but the camera isn't the most important thing of the process of creating pictures. Yes it is important, but lenses are far more important than the camera. And if you look at Canon and Nikon, have you seen how many lenses there are? From 8 mm to 1200mm and everything in between, and a lot of them are dust and waterproof.

But the biggest disadvantage of the E=P(L)x systems is that they are small and too light. Put a prime 400mm lens on the Pl1 and you know what I mean.

I have said it before, I think. The common person who buys a camera, isn't interested if the camera has a mirror or not, he or she wants to take a picture and hey, his or her neighbor has a Nikon/Canon and that looks like a real camera to them, the E-P series are looking to much like a compact.

The fact that they are small is more a disadvantage for the more serious photographer, than an advantage. Yes for a second or third camera it could be an advantage.

But that doesn't mean that I don't love my PL1.

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2011, 04:24:27 PM »
Everybody here is focussing on the camera, but the camera isn't the most important thing of the process of creating pictures 1. Yes it is important, but lenses are far more important than the camera. And if you look at Canon and Nikon, have you seen how many lenses there are? From 8 mm to 1200mm and everything in between, and a lot of them are dust and waterproof.

But the biggest disadvantage of the E=P(L)x systems is that they are small and too light. Put a prime 400mm lens on the Pl1 and you know what I mean 2.

I have said it before, I think. The common person who buys a camera, isn't interested if the camera has a mirror or not, he or she wants to take a picture and hey, his or her neighbor has a Nikon/Canon and that looks like a real camera to them, the E-P series are looking to much like a compact.


The fact that they are small is more a disadvantage for the more serious photographer, than an advantage. Yes for a second or third camera it could be an advantage. 3

But that doesn't mean that I don't love my PL1.

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Number 1 above:
I disagree.... In the age of Sensors that replace the film... (which also have its limits depending on the film used), The Sensor Is just as important as the glass used... You can put great glass on a crappy sensor, and you get crappy images because the sensor can't deliver what the glass can.. granted, the image will be better than not great having used glass... But, a sensor that handle high resolution + high ISO, is much more preferred. 

It is still after all these years, dependent on 2 factors..... A quality sensor, and a quality lens... Yes, exposure is important too..


Number 2 above:

I would say that most "users" of the m4/3 in the world market, are just family people who will never wander outside the offered lenses from Panasonic or Olympus. So, the small body is just fine.

Many on this site, however, have photography as a hobby, a way to express their thoughts in photography. And, if you use a long lens like a 400mm, you would also use a tripod, just as you would with a DSLR for lower ISO images... so that argument is moot...  BTW, I can handhold a 3lbs 400mm with my G3 and get plenty of sharp images, if a tripod is not convenient for the location, at a higher ISO.

Number 3 above:
The size of camera is not a disadvantage to a "Photographer", because a "Photographer" can make a great image with any camera, knowing it's strong points and it's weak points.. and will choose the correct camera for the job. A sports photographer would not take a camera that does not offer fast FPS to cover the action. So, the family guy, who has kids in sports will most likely get a DSLR that can handle sports more appropriately. BUT, the G3 and E-P3 can handle kid sports with the 100-300 and having the camera set up NOT to show a preview after each shot... that's 3fps... plenty for family sports..

I know you love your E-PL1  ;)
Don't underestimate the m4/3... they can deliver plenty....
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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2012, 07:43:53 PM »
That´s an old theme but here i´m now again.

I think that what makes MFT down the curve is marketing!
brands need to sell so even some of the best products can´t sell forever and there is a need to make products obsolete and make them look as not usefull anymore in order to keep selling. on the other hand dirt marketting helps to make other brands products look bad in order to sell your brand.
As tools, cameras have technological an physical limits to the way they work. in particular MFT or FT have intrinsic resolution and dynamic range limitations compared to larger formats.
but if you compare formats like so, the question can be raised: Why is always Full Frame behind the curve of image quality (compared to Medium Format)?
the question seem stupid but what advantages do you have with each format?
any camera has compromises. what your limiting factors are makes you decide which camera is for you isn´t it?

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2012, 08:31:22 PM »
i  see it as a similar cycle to computers , which cameras are these days.... lens assemblies welded to computers.... photo sensitive chips and flash memory  have replaced film and evfsand lcd have mostly replaced vfs

look at a computer 5 ....10 and 15    20   years agothink about the increases in processing power and storage space   quality and size of screens  etc

same for cameras go back  to 2008 for a second  high iso performance  price screens buffers storage size   etc
now  go backto 2003 remember that .....now  back to 1998   digital has come avlong way.
 the makers dont have to make things obselete....the natural march of technology is doing just fine to drive obselence

 advances in state of the art for screens sensors af speed sd cards  storage size  sensors  and  image quality will make any camera seem old in just a few short years

 these things drive the market for now

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2012, 10:35:45 PM »
I'm not sure M4/3 is behind the curve. Wel in the contrary.

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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2012, 12:56:36 PM »
There may be an argument that Panasonic and Olympus can no longer increase market share with incremental improvements and interface "tweaks". I'm sure Panasonic knows this, it will be interesting to see what they introduce next as their "flagship". One thing you can count on with both Sony and Panasonic is the murderously-fast product introduction cycle we are witnessing probably isn't going to slow down.
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Re: Why is Micro Four Thirds always behind the curve?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2012, 01:26:34 PM »
Well this is an old thread. Since this thread, they have actually come out with a new sensor.
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