Author Topic: I Think Too Much... (Read 2625 times)

Jason C · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2012, 02:20:13 PM »

I should also add I have never handled the G3, and that is something I need to do soon. I have never used an EVF before, so I do not know if it'll be the shiznitz, or if I find it annoying. I do know from what I've read is that the G3 viewfinder is quite generous in it's view...that is positive.

Jason C

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #26 on:** February 21, 2012, 02:54:26 PM »

Quote from: Jason C on February 21, 2012, 08:06:30 AM

It never ceases, does it................................

Jason C

It does not my friend,

I am 58, started photography when I was 15, (1969), and have owned well over 2 or 3 dozen cameras (a few with a lot glass),
And I still change camera's every few years. But, I am staying with M4/3, It has more than enough IQ with great glass to make 24x36 prints or even 30x40 also.
And the OM-D is my next m4/3, I don't want sell the G3, a 2nd body is always nice with a different lens. I will, if I have too though.

voyager · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2012, 03:12:48 PM »

Hell I'm only 21 and I've owned over a dozen cameras.

overflow · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2012, 03:25:59 PM »

Why not save some bucks and get a used G1/G2? The G3 has better noise performance and higher resolution, but if you don't mind the IQ of your E-P1, I think the G1 is pretty comparable. And you should be able to get a G1 for ~$200; almost a straight across trade for the E-P1.

I find I can manual focus legacy glass with just the viewfinder (no magnification) on my GH1 fairly easily where I couldn't do much of anything with the E-P1 screen. Plus having the extra stabilization when I do happen to feel the need to zoom in for focusing is quite helpful.

It would be a good idea to get your hands on a G3 to see how it feels to you though, especially seeing if the viewfinder helps that much with your ability to focus easily.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2012, 03:33:44 PM »

Quote from: voyager on February 21, 2012, 03:12:48 PM

Hell I'm only 21 and I've owned over a dozen cameras.

Back then, new models came out every 2 or 3 years, some 4-5 years. Not every 1 to 1.5 years, so the turn around was at slower pace

n2hhr · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2012, 04:22:22 PM »

My wife and kids tell me that I don't think enough.... Go figure, all I did was spend $3K on the new fuji camera system....

lisandra · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2012, 05:26:58 PM »

Quote from: n2hhr on February 21, 2012, 04:22:22 PM

My wife and kids tell me that I don't think enough.... Go figure, all I did was spend $3K on the new fuji camera system....

we should adopt your philosophy...

lisandra · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2012, 05:46:16 PM »

Quote from: voyager on February 21, 2012, 03:12:48 PM

Hell I'm only 21 and I've owned over a dozen cameras.

Im 25, lets open a club, in the past 12 or so years Ive owned, ummmm, a shameful amount of cameras.

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I have never used an EVF before, so I do not know if it'll be the shiznitz, or if I find it annoying.

you have a 1D mk2 right? if you do or have seen it the EVF is exactly THAT big, but you know, all electronicky.

Jason C · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2012, 06:53:05 PM »

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you have a 1D mk2 right? if you do or have seen it the EVF is exactly THAT big, but you know, all electronicky.

Had a 1DMKII, but that is nice to know about the view in the G3. Just gotta see how that electonicky stuff works.

Yeah, I let both of my 1D bodies go, just way to big and bulky for what I do. They were great tools, but now I've gone smaller (5D) and got more glass to boot.

Jason C

javarob75 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:58:06 PM »

Quote from: voyager on February 21, 2012, 03:12:48 PM

Hell I'm only 21 and I've owned over a dozen cameras.

In one year, I owned a Canon 10d, a Canon g7, a Pentax k20, a Canon 40d, a Pentax k7, and an Olympus e-P1... I went through 5 cameras in less than 6 months before settling on the Pen. I did the same with film cameras when I worked as a Pro...

voyager · « **Reply #35 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:42:36 PM »

I easily beat that.

ralph · « **Reply #36 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:01:12 AM »

I should make my wife read this - she gets upset with my camera buying, but I've only had 5 cameras in about 10 years (admittedly, none of them were exactly cheap...)

lisandra · « **Reply #37 on:** February 22, 2012, 05:57:33 AM »

Quote from: ralph on February 22, 2012, 01:01:12 AM

I should make my wife read this - she gets upset with my camera buying, but I've only had 5 cameras in about 10 years (admittedly, none of them were exactly cheap...)

make her look into her own spending habits. We find unreasonable to spend money on the things we don't like or have affinity to, but justify to the death our "hobbies".What's silly to you is important to me and viceversa. Can you tell I'm a psychologists?

lisandra · « **Reply #38 on:** February 22, 2012, 06:04:39 AM »

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Had a 1DMKII, but that is nice to know about the view in the G3. Justgottaseehow that electonicky stuff works.

I think you'll dig it, its big and bright, and if white balance is spot on, you can't really tell you're looking at electronic. Auto reviewing a photo right there on the vf is cool as hell, its what blew my mind the most at first. I was just so used to pulling away from the ovf and reviewing on the lcd that it was a real shocker the first time.

adash · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:51:49 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on February 22, 2012, 06:04:39 AM

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Had a 1DMKII, but that is nice to know about the view in the G3. Justgottaseehow that electonicky stuff works.

I think you'll dig it, its big and bright, and if white balance is spot on, you can't really tell you're looking at electronic. Auto reviewing a photo right there on the vf is cool as hell, its what blew my mind the most at first. I was just so used to pulling away from the ovf and reviewing on the lcd that it was a real shocker the first time.

That's the G3/GH2 EVF probably? What about the E-M5 EVF? I see it has a lower magnification (1.1x?), could this be a problem for MF?

Bif · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »

There's another possible solution. Up the price on the P1 just a bit (maybe $25) and let the 14-42 go with it if you have one. Or include the 14-42 with the price at $150 where you have it to make it a more attractive purchase.

One or two vendors on amazon.com are selling brand new e-PL1's for $290 or even a tad less some days, with 14-42 "kit" lens. I snapped one up as my first M 4/3 camera. Then as soon as you can order the VF-2 viewfinder for it (it has the port for it). The VF-2 is phenomenal in the way it lets you "see" much better in the camera, manual focus is much easier. I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to trying to focus on an LCD panel on the back of the camera, to say nothing of not being able to see it when it's washed out in strong daylight.

I got my VF-2 for $200 from B&H and it solved both issues for me. This combo could keep you happier in the M 4/3 environment and give you more time to plan your next move.

My only "Gee I wish it had..." feeling about the PL1 is that it doesn't do 1920x1080 video, it's limited to 1280x720, which doesn't look bad but I'm heavy into independent video.

Centauri27 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 24, 2012, 01:43:47 PM »

Quote from: Jason C on February 20, 2012, 10:11:38 AM

Thought about the 45/1.8 but the samples have not made an impression on me.

I'm not sure what kind of samples you've seen. My reaction after getting the (super highly touted) Panasonic 20mm was "wow", but after seeing my Olympus 45mm shots, I went "wow!".

Give it a shot--you won't regret it.

Cotillion · « **Reply #42 on:** February 24, 2012, 03:47:34 PM »

Quote from: Centauri27 on February 24, 2012, 01:43:47 PM

Quote from: Jason C on February 20, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
Thought about the 45/1.8 but the samples have not made an impression on me.

I'm not sure what kind of samples you've seen. My reaction after getting the (super highly touted) Panasonic 20mm was "wow", but after seeing my Olympus 45mm shots, I went "wow!".

Give it a shot--you won't regret it.

true dat

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #43 on:** February 24, 2012, 04:57:20 PM »

I want the 45 also, it is better in IQ than the 20, and the 20 is damn good IQ.

mynameisjonas · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2012, 03:56:06 AM »

Quote from: M5-User on February 24, 2012, 04:57:20 PM

I want the 45 also, it is better in IQ than the 20, and the 20 is damn good IQ.

I wouldn't say one is better than the other. The 20mm has smoother bokeh to my eyes, the 45 can look a bit busy depending on the background. They're both really sharp. The 45 has a unique color character though. It happens to me often that I see a pitcure and think: "That's gotta be taken with the Oly 45/1.8" and in 99% of the cases I'm right.

javarob75 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2012, 07:09:52 AM »

Quote from: overflow on February 21, 2012, 03:25:59 PM

Why not save some bucks and get a used G1/G2? The G3 has better noise performance and higher resolution, but if you don't mind the IQ of your E-P1, I think the G1 is pretty comparable.

I've tried a G1, and although the AF is quicker than my e-p1, the image quality (especially at higher iso) is nowhere near the IQ of the e-p1.

I have been debating moving to other formats, but I keep coming back to m4/3rds. Right now, I can pick up the em-5 (pre-ordered) and the 45mm 1.8 and have a nice street and portrait kit, with my e-p1 as a backup, for under $1500 (I already have an e-p1 with the 17mm lens). To get the same in a Nikon system, I would be spending well over $1500, as I would have to pick up a camera body plus 2 lenses.

DOF is certainly more shallow with a larger sensor, won't disagree there, but plan on investing a camera that you can micro-adjust the AF... I tried a Nikon d90 with the 35mm 1.8 and it had horrible back focus problems. You'll never have those issues with m4/3rds.

If you don't mind the styling, the G3 is a great camera. I've been looking at some high ISO samples, and I have to say they look great! I would even say they look better than comparable pics from the d90. And you can't go wrong with the MF assist.

Jason, keep me posted on that e-p1...

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Jason C · « **Reply #46 on:** February 25, 2012, 05:32:33 PM »

Quote from: javarob75 on February 25, 2012, 07:09:52 AM

Jason, keep me posted on that e-p1...

I have come full circle; the plan now is to keep the E-P1 and consider glass for it. I an interested in the PL 25/1.4 as an AF lens option, and either the Konica Hexanon 40/1.8 or/and the KH 50/1.4. Thant is the story for this moment.

Any happy users of Konica Hexanon MF glass here, views, opinions? I've already been through the archives.

Jason C

asterinex · « **Reply #47 on:** February 26, 2012, 07:56:32 AM »

Quote from: Jason C on February 25, 2012, 05:32:33 PM

Quote from: javarob75 on February 25, 2012, 07:09:52 AM

Jason, keep me posted on that e-p1...

I have come full circle; the plan now is to keep the E-P1 and consider glass for it. I an interested in the PL 25/1.4 as an AF lens option, and either the Konica Hexanon 40/1.8 or/and the KH 50/1.4. Thant is the story for this moment.

Any happy users of Konica Hexanon MF glass here, views, opinions? I've already been through the archives.

Jason C

I have sold my 20mm and I ordered the Pana Leica 25mm.
I have a lot of konica glass. The 50mm 1.4 and 50mm 1.7 are one of the sharpest lenses ever made ! And very very cheap !
In my flickr account are a lot of Konica shots.

Spinyman · « **Reply #48 on:** February 26, 2012, 09:33:26 AM »

I have seen G3 bodies go for $400.00. In fact,mine may be up for sale soon.That isn't much more than your $150.00.My EP-1 is great for static shooting,not so great for on the fly.And I have bought a few legacy 135mm lenses that are unusable on my Ep-1 because focus is just no fun.I have the cute little clip on ovf, but the built in, excellent evf on my G3 is a joy and allows me to focus any lens precisely.
Did I make things easier for you? I didn't think so.

Jason C · « **Reply #49 on:** February 26, 2012, 02:50:44 PM »

Well, I got to handle a G3 today at Frys, after I hounded them to put a battery in the thing so I could check out the EVF. It is very nice, and I like it's mag view when in MF.

Jason C

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