Author Topic: Convince me to stick with m4/3 (Read 2360 times)

asterinex · « **on:** October 29, 2011, 11:13:46 PM »

I want to upgrade my E-P1.
As I really like the looks of this cam I love the looks of the E-P3.
I really love my PEN. The only thing that bothers me are noise and expensive accecoires.
The PEN 3 with the new 45mm lens costs about 1000 euros !

For that money I have a :
* Sony Alpha A35
* Sony 50mm f1.8 SAM
* Sony 30mm f/2.8 DT SAM Macro

The only advantage op the PEN 3 seems size and looks, or .... ?

lisandra · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2011, 12:51:39 AM »

well, um, you gotta go with what fits you best but, if noise is your primary concern the a55 is not the best choice here. Just not to use the super cliche dpreview shots again, heres the popphoto results based on the RAW files. As you can see theres not much resolution advantage on the sony despite the 4 million extra pixels ( this means youll get bigger photos but no extra detail). The PEN actually beats the sony in noise performance all the way up to ISO 3200 (its still moderate at that point), beats it in color accuracy, contrast, and matches it in image stabilization, resolution and af speed. Also, for the first time Im happy to report that, the PEn has a waaaay better jpeg engine than the a35.
Heres some stuff you should know: 1. you cannot set 1/3 ISO stops on the sony like you can on the pen, 2. you cant shoot unless the camera thinks it has achieved focus, even if you think it has. 3. ISO auto limit is 1600 (its unbelievably annoying) 4. the af points are few and clumped up in the center (anything outside those points wont get focused). 5. you have to dig into the menu to change RAW to JPEG. 6. if you record a movie you cant view it alongside your photos, you have to access another folder. 7. shutter lag and shot to shot times are bad.
the 50mm is way cheaper, but not nearly as sharp as the 45mm 1.8. The 30mm macro is garbage, you have to be less than an inch from the subject to get 1:1. A descent super zoom will be around 550$ (not bad) but the 14-150 can be found cheaper.

Enough to convince me, but its entirely up to you of course...

Left is EP3, right is A35

corgifan · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2011, 01:29:31 AM »

Whenever I'm tempted to buy a better camera (full frame! Yes!) I ask myself how much better will my pictures be because of the new camera. 5%? 10%? Would they be that much better if I just improved my own skills and ability to see and compose better? Unless you're doing something specialized that pushes the limits of the camera, the money might be better spent on a good class with a real pro, especially if you're not making a real push to sell your images.

Doug

javarob75 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM »

I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

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NaturalWoman · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2011, 06:46:42 AM »

Quote from: corgifan on October 30, 2011, 01:29:31 AM

Whenever I'm tempted to buy a better camera (full frame! Yes!) I ask myself how much better will my pictures be because of the new camera. 5%? 10%? Would they be that much better if I just improved my own skills and ability to see and compose better? Unless you're doing something specialized that pushes the limits of the camera, the money might be better spent on a good class with a real pro, especially if you're not making a real push to sell your images.

Doug

my sentiments too. i lust over canon, higher mega pixels (16, which i can get with a panasonic g3) and sometimes a built in VF, but i ask myself do i *really* need it, 90% of the time the answer is no.

i haven't had a problem selling my work with the set up i have now, i DO need a few more mega pixels for some of my landscape shots, but i'm doing okay with what i have.

it's more of a question of what you are doing with your photos - uploading them to forums and flickr..... eh. if it's for full time or part time professional work, then m4/3 might not be the best option. i agree olympus is expensive and i hate it and curse them, but i enjoy the perks of the system.

i would say if you need a bit of convincing, then maybe your decision has already been made, and that's fine too. m4/3rds isn't for everyone and it's expensive it seems for less features than something cheaper (cough canon t3i. excuse me). i have learned to shoot within the limitations of the system (because i enjoy the benefits) and i don't ask it to do something it cannot. when it no longer serves me, then it will be replaced.

do what's best for you.

NaturalWoman · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2011, 07:00:16 AM »

Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM

I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

do you plan to shoot more weddings? if i were doing just the one, i would rent a camera(s) and two lenses. the price quoted would be the entire rental price and then the cost of my time including any post processing, post wedding work, etc.).

if you plan to do this for a living, then i would (and i hate to say invest because as i tell people my real investments go up in value (or should) and bring in money) buy into a different system.

i'm okay taking my ep3 to a wedding, or heck even my canon g12, but not as the main photographer.

RT_Panther · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2011, 07:18:02 AM »

Quote from: asterinex on October 29, 2011, 11:13:46 PM

I want to upgrade my E-P1.
As I really like the looks of this cam I love the looks of the E-P3.
I really love my PEN. The only thing that bothers me are noise and expensive accecoires.
The PEN 3 with the new 45mm lens costs about 1000 euros !

For that money I have a :
* Sony Alpha A35
* Sony 50mm f1.8 SAM
* Sony 30mm f/2.8 DT SAM Macro

The only advantage op the PEN 3 seems size and looks, or .... ?

Have you entertained the possibility of an E-P2 and 45mm ƒ1.8?

javarob75 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2011, 07:51:51 AM »

Quote from: NaturalWoman on October 30, 2011, 07:00:16 AM

Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM
I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

do you plan to shoot more weddings? if i were doing just the one, i would rent a camera(s) and two lenses. the price quoted would be the entire rental price and then the cost of my time including any post processing, post wedding work, etc.).

if you plan to do this for a living, then i would (and i hate to say invest because as i tell people my real investments go up in value (or should) and bring in money) buy into a different system.

i'm okay taking my ep3 to a wedding, or heck even my canon g12, but not as the main photographer.

I'm really not sure if I'll shoot more weddings... I have a full-time job as a school administrator, so weddings would just be a side job. I decided to shoot this wedding specifically for the money to upgrade my camera.
My personal work is focused on photodocumentary projects, and shooting images of my son... So my decision needs to be centered on those needs.
I have no intentions of shooting the wedding with an e-p3... Maybe as my backup, but never as my primary.

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asterinex · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2011, 08:11:53 AM »

Quote from: NaturalWoman on October 30, 2011, 07:00:16 AM

Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM
I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

do you plan to shoot more weddings? if i were doing just the one, i would rent a camera(s) and two lenses. the price quoted would be the entire rental price and then the cost of my time including any post processing, post wedding work, etc.).

if you plan to do this for a living, then i would (and i hate to say invest because as i tell people my real investments go up in value (or should) and bring in money) buy into a different system.

i'm okay taking my ep3 to a wedding, or heck even my canon g12, but not as the main photographer.

Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 07:51:51 AM

Quote from: NaturalWoman on October 30, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM
I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

do you plan to shoot more weddings? if i were doing just the one, i would rent a camera(s) and two lenses. the price quoted would be the entire rental price and then the cost of my time including any post processing, post wedding work, etc.).

if you plan to do this for a living, then i would (and i hate to say invest because as i tell people my real investments go up in value (or should) and bring in money) buy into a different system.

i'm okay taking my ep3 to a wedding, or heck even my canon g12, but not as the main photographer.

I'm really not sure if I'll shoot more weddings... I have a full-time job as a school administrator, so weddings would just be a side job. I decided to shoot this wedding specifically for the money to upgrade my camera.
My personal work is focused on photodocumentary projects, and shooting images of my son... So my decision needs to be centered on those needs.
I have no intentions of shooting the wedding with an e-p3... Maybe as my backup, but never as my primary.

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Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 07:51:51 AM

Quote from: NaturalWoman on October 30, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM
I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

do you plan to shoot more weddings? if i were doing just the one, i would rent a camera(s) and two lenses. the price quoted would be the entire rental price and then the cost of my time including any post processing, post wedding work, etc.).

if you plan to do this for a living, then i would (and i hate to say invest because as i tell people my real investments go up in value (or should) and bring in money) buy into a different system.

i'm okay taking my ep3 to a wedding, or heck even my canon g12, but not as the main photographer.

I'm really not sure if I'll shoot more weddings... I have a full-time job as a school administrator, so weddings would just be a side job. I decided to shoot this wedding specifically for the money to upgrade my camera.
My personal work is focused on photodocumentary projects, and shooting images of my son... So my decision needs to be centered on those needs.
I have no intentions of shooting the wedding with an e-p3... Maybe as my backup, but never as my primary.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 07:51:51 AM

Quote from: NaturalWoman on October 30, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 05:22:06 AM
I am faced with a similar issue... Let me explain:
I am currently shooting with an e-p1 with the 17mm lens. While I really like the small form factor, beautiful oly color, and the prospect of shooting with the 45mm f1.8, the slow AF has meant many missed shots (to the point of utter frustration). Another frustration is frequently blown highlights. I believe I have solved this problem, but not the AF.

I have been hired to shoot a wedding this summer, and the quote I gave the couple will be enough to cover the purchase of one of the following options:
1. Oly e-p3 with 17mm and 45mm lenses, as well as the vf3 (can't stand shooting without a VF).
2. Canon 40d, canon 10d (as a backup body), 24mm f2.8 lens, 50mm f1.8 lens, and a canon flashgun.

If I go with option 1, I will need to rent a complete system for the wedding, at a cost of over $200 (the profits I was going to use to help pay for a vacation) If I go with option 2, I will have a bulkier system but I will be able to shoot additional weddings if the need/want arises.

I have been shooting with the e-p1 for over 18 months, and in many ways it has been liberating. Having a small camera that in many ways matches the IQ of a DSLR has made life much easier. But as I said before, I have missed too many shots due to slow AF as well blur due to slow shutter speeds in low light.

This continues to be a difficult decision, but one that needs to be made soon...

Any thoughts are welcome

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

do you plan to shoot more weddings? if i were doing just the one, i would rent a camera(s) and two lenses. the price quoted would be the entire rental price and then the cost of my time including any post processing, post wedding work, etc.).

if you plan to do this for a living, then i would (and i hate to say invest because as i tell people my real investments go up in value (or should) and bring in money) buy into a different system.

i'm okay taking my ep3 to a wedding, or heck even my canon g12, but not as the main photographer.

I'm really not sure if I'll shoot more weddings... I have a full-time job as a school administrator, so weddings would just be a side job. I decided to shoot this wedding specifically for the money to upgrade my camera.
My personal work is focused on photodocumentary projects, and shooting images of my son... So my decision needs to be centered on those needs.
I have no intentions of shooting the wedding with an e-p3... Maybe as my backup, but never as my primary.

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We are like photography, and we all like beautifull pictures,sharp, with nice colors and less noise as possible.
Most people here wouldn't take an e-p3 to a wedding (main photographer). Why ?
So Why invest in a cam that you wouldn't take to a wedding?
Or why pay more for a cam you wouldn't take to a wedding?

I'm just thinking....

javarob75 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2011, 08:32:31 AM »

Quote from: asterinex on October 30, 2011, 08:11:53 AM

We are like photography, and we all like beautifull pictures,sharp, with nice colors and less noise as possible.
Most people here wouldn't take an e-p3 to a wedding (main photographer). Why ?
So Why invest in a cam that you wouldn't take to a wedding?
Or why pay more for a cam you wouldn't take to a wedding?

I'm just thinking....

The reason I would pick an e-p3 over a DSLR for my personal work has everything to do with size. I love how portable my e-p1 is... I have it with me all the time. Unfortunately, the AF is just too slow for pics of my son. I used to shoot with a Pentax k-7 before making the switch to a Pen, and while I loved the speed and IQ of the Pentax, the IQ was better with the Pen and the convenience of having such a small camera was liberating. The only thing I have found myself missing was a viewfinder... I kept trying to convince myself otherwise, but in the end, I have to be honest with myself.
A major drawback for me regarding m4/3rds in general has been the lower dynamic range of the sensor. I am working on changing my workflow to compensate... hopefully it will work. If not, my decision will be easier to make.

asterinex · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2011, 09:23:00 AM »

Quote from: javarob75 on October 30, 2011, 08:32:31 AM

Unfortunately, the AF is just too slow for pics of my son.

I had the same problem indoors with the kitlens. But with the pana 20mm 1.7 I have no problems shooting my kids anymore.

lisandra · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2011, 12:49:42 PM »

I shoot weddings, its more than 60% of my income nowadays, and I do of with a gh2. There's nothing the gh2 can do that the pen 3 can't. I bring an assistant and he uses the a55, but his images account for maybe 20% of the keepers. The list I made you on the first post would explain why this is so. The pen 3 and gh2 are more expensive, but let me assure you, they are far more customizable/feature rich than the a55/35. Fact of the matter is, if its so dark you couldn't achieve focus with the gh2 or pen 3 you're probably not gonna be able to with any other camera (nikon d3s excluded).
Natural woman, more pixels are only useful when they mean more resolving power (see the charts and explanation from my first post) otherwise you're just getting a bigger file with no extra detail. The jump in actual resolving power from the gh1 to the gh2 was about 300 lines (popphoto), but if the gh3 should have 22 mp but only offer something like 50 more lines of resolution then its not worth the upgrade.
If you're looking for dynamic range, full frame is the way to go, the advantage of APS C is not as phenomenal as some people point out to be.

asterinex · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2011, 12:58:05 PM »

The sony was just an exemple. It could have been the canon 6ooD or an Nikon 7000. Lisandra, can I ask you a question? Why the panasonic gh2?
The biggest advantage of the pen is the size, but a gh2 is almost as big as a dslr? And more expensive. I think it is strange choice for a pro.
Don't get me wrong; I love your work and your pictures are great. Just trying to get your thoughts on this.

Jason C · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2011, 02:26:38 PM »

For me, the EP1 is great to have ready at all times when I don't want to, or can't, lug around a DSLR. Otherwise, it's the FF Canon for me.

I suggest you try out a DSLR or two from a friend or local photography club and see if that is an avenue you will want to proceed. Also, good glass is expensive.

This is a tough one, but I think you need to try out some DSLRs first.

Good luck.

Jason C

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2011, 02:29:38 PM »

It all boils down to the feature set, ease of use, size.. (although, the the GH2 is smaller than most dslr's imo).
For Weddings, and Events, you don't need huge prints.. M4/3 can make 20x30 if you need to. The GH2, G3, EP-3 should be fully capable of this.

The other thing, that be a hidden factor is: Do you feel confortble with a smaller camera where traditionally larger camera's ruled. Do you NEED a larger camera to have the apperence of a Professional Photographer?
Do the people at event care what you use? I have shot Weddings with a Canon EOS 630 and 2 lenses... A 21-35 f/2.8 Tokina ATX, and a Canon EOS 35-105 USM. and a Canon 420 ETTL flash. I never had a problem with the camera used.... If that is a consideration. As long as you can deliver, and you don't show up with toy... I guess, I am off topic a bit..

But, the point is, that, m4/3 is great alternative for a lighter weight camera + lenses compared to larger DSLR's. A little higher priced, but, exept for high speed sports, and some landscapes, m4/3 does well. IQ is right up there with many DSLR's... Including high ISO noise control. Minus a tad of DR, in most cases it is 1/2 stop. Not that noticabe in real world prints.

The main reason I use m4/3 is size and weight. I had a Pentax 20D/grip, with a 16-45 f/4 and a Sigma 105 macro along with a Sigma APO 70-300. It was a lot heaver than my G3, 14-42, 20, 55 micro, 135 and took up more space (much larger bag)."

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Jason C · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2011, 02:40:31 PM »

Quote from: M5-User on October 30, 2011, 02:29:38 PM

It all boils down to the feature set, ease of use, size.. (although, the the GH2 is smaller than most dslr's imo).
For Weddings, and Events, you don't need huge prints.. M4/3 can make 20x30 if you need to. The GH2, G3, EP-3 should be fully capable of this.

The other thing, that be a hidden factor is: Do you feel confortble with a smaller camera where traditionally larger camera's ruled. Do you NEED a larger camera to have the apperence of a Professional Photographer?
Do the people at event care what you use? I have shot Weddings with a Canon EOS 630 and 2 lenses... A 21-35 f/2.8 Tokina ATX, and a Canon EOS 35-105 USM. and a Canon 420 ETTL flash. I never had a problem with the camera used.... If that is a consideration. As long as you can deliver, and you don't show up with toy... I guess, I am off topic a bit..

But, the point is, that, m4/3 is great alternative for a lighter weight camera + lenses compared to larger DSLR's. A little higher priced, but, exept for high speed sports, and some landscapes, m4/3 does well. IQ is right up there with many DSLR's... Including high ISO noise control. Minus a tad of DR, in most cases it is 1/2 stop. Not that noticabe in real world prints.

The main reason I use m4/3 is size and weight. I had a Pentax 20D/grip, with a 16-45 f/4 and a Sigma 105 macro along with a Sigma APO 70-300. It was a lot heaver than my G3, 14-42, 20, 55 micro, 135 and took up more space (much larger bag)."

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I must concur with my esteemed colleague! An EOS 630! I still have mine:

Yes, the E-P1 is quite capable and will generate good results with knowledgeable use. Would I take it to a wedding, yes. Even if it were a paid gig, I would have the Oly with me to use alongside my Canon kit.

Jason C

lisandra · « **Reply #16 on:** October 31, 2011, 12:35:35 AM »

Quote from: asterinex on October 30, 2011, 12:58:05 PM

The sony was just an exemple. It could have been the canon 6ooD or an Nikon 7000. Lisandra, can I ask you a question? Why the panasonic gh2?
The biggest advantage of the pen is the size, but a gh2 is almost as big as a dslr? And more expensive. I think it is strange choice for a pro.
Don't get me wrong; I love your work and your pictures are great. Just trying to get your thoughts on this.

with the gh1 things were not up to snuff yet in terms of high ISO banding and AF. The gh2 fixed that. The gh1 was already more detailed than my APS Cs and currently I've found nothing as detailed in APS C land. The pentax k5 is the only one that comes really close. In terms of size, if you get the chance to go to a store and put the pen right next to a gh2, you'll notice they're almost as big, asside from the grip and vf hump. I like the grip because I use a lot of hotshoe flash with a diffuser and it keeps things balanced. Compared to a rebel its quite small, pictures on sites don't show this as obviously as it is. A lot of people say its as big as any other slr, its really not. Besides its not in the bodies where the difference is seen, its in the lenses. You should see the rebel with a 70-200 attached, its huge. The Sony with the 70-200 g? I don't even own a bag that'll fit the lens attached to the body! Add to that a hotshoe flash and a Gary fong diffuser and you have a seriously heavy and bulky setup!
But when it really comes down to it, the feature set takes the cake, the sum of the things I put on the list is what makes a body "pro". This feature set is hugely important when you're at an event that requires a friendly body with as much micro adjustability as possible and ease of access. It might sound a little silly but I'm serious, little things like 1/3 stops ISOs are hard to find in low end bodies. Sticking with the Sony case, if you look at the difference between the a77 and the a65 you'll find that mostly it comes down to the list.
Now I can actually afford a full frame and have even been lucky enough to test them, they are more detailed and cleaner at same ISO, the only downside being you have to use larger aperture numbers to get usable dof and thus higher ISOs. But do I really need one?? I've successfully printed 24x36 posters from the gh2 and I don't need 14 stops of dynamic range so why would i?
So much so that if by the time the fast panny zooms come out if Sony doesn't give me a a77 body with a better sensor ill get a second panny body. So yeah you're paying more for what SEEMS to be a lesser body than a "proper" slr, but in the end you get a lot.

asterinex · « **Reply #17 on:** October 31, 2011, 01:38:39 AM »

Thx Lisandra, if someone can convince me, it is you.

I probably stay with oly m4/3.

lisandra · « **Reply #18 on:** October 31, 2011, 03:51:41 AM »

That's so cool!

If you do stick with the format, right now things are interesting...the ep3 is still a beautiful thing but now focuses blazingly fast. Steve huff is having a blast with it and has plenty of samples of different scenarios. I hink its also worth to wait a couple of days and see how much the gx1 will be...

lisandra · « **Reply #19 on:** October 31, 2011, 04:40:58 AM »

Unofficial price for the gx1 is 599$ body only

asterinex · « **Reply #20 on:** October 31, 2011, 07:34:30 AM »

mmm that is alot cheaper than the E-P3. I'm curious for first reviews.
Meanwile I'm trying to get the Oly 45mm 1.8, but is sold out everywhere.

Em5 Pete · « **Reply #21 on:** October 31, 2011, 08:35:48 AM »

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Quote from: asterinex on October 31, 2011, 07:34:30 AM

mmm that is alot cheaper than the E-P3. I'm curious for first reviews.
Meanwile I'm trying to get the Oly 45mm 1.8, but is sold out everywhere.

B&H has it in stock $399
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/805165-REG/Olympus_V311030SU000_M_Zuiko_Digital_ED.html

asterinex · « **Reply #22 on:** October 31, 2011, 09:15:22 AM »

Quote from: M5-User on October 31, 2011, 08:35:48 AM

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Quote from: asterinex on October 31, 2011, 07:34:30 AM
mmm that is alot cheaper than the E-P3. I'm curious for first reviews.
Meanwile I'm trying to get the Oly 45mm 1.8, but is sold out everywhere.

B&H has it in stock $399
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/805165-REG/Olympus_V311030SU000_M_Zuiko_Digital_ED.html

I wait till one in Belgium pops up. Just in case there is something wrong I can easlily bring it back for repairs.
A local store sells one for 258 euros (special price). But they are out of stock. I just have to wait a bit.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #23 on:** October 31, 2011, 09:26:22 AM »

599 body? im starting to think i can live without the internal vf for this one

, will the add on evf for the gf1 fit this?

forgetting charts and such for the moment which camera would be a better upgrade path for me ?the ep3 or the gx1
features manual use and sensor is most important im starting to see my 2 gf1s and 2 ep1s an getting rrady for an a new sibling

this should have been called the gf-5 imho btw also the pancake zoom is something i wouldnt mind having does anyone know what the price for the kit will be ?

asterinex · « **Reply #24 on:** October 31, 2011, 09:37:12 AM »

I think the price of the e-p3 will drop when the gx1 comes out. It will be a clash !

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