Topic: 'Canon Not Interested In Micro Four Thirds' (Read 531 times)

Panther · « **on:** July 29, 2010, 08:09:04 PM »

http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/canon-not-interested-in-micro-four-thirds-but-will-shrink-down-dslrs-20100721/

cosinaphile · « **Reply #1 on:** July 29, 2010, 08:55:53 PM »

ahh....well...... canon will come around , later,.... rather than sooner

Panther · « **Reply #2 on:** July 29, 2010, 09:08:59 PM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on July 29, 2010, 08:55:53 PM

ahh....well...... canon will come around , later,.... rather than sooner

I've bookmarked this....

adash · « **Reply #3 on:** July 29, 2010, 10:45:34 PM »

It may or may not be mirrorless, but it will be a direct responce to the E-Px/Pana Gxxxx/Sony NEX buzz and success. We must face the truth - m4/3 reshaped digital photography.

lisandra · « **Reply #4 on:** July 29, 2010, 11:23:14 PM »

Quote from: adash on July 29, 2010, 10:45:34 PM

It may or may not be mirrorless, but it will be a direct responce to the E-Px/Pana Gxxxx/Sony NEX buzz and success. We must face the truth - m4/3 reshaped digital photography.

And u don't even notice it until u go back to shooting with a DSLR. I spent the whole day shooting with my canon cause I was testing if the autofocus had been fixed (it backfocused and I had it adjusted today, plus I got that f1.

. I must have stop 6 or 7 times and genuinely said out loud "how in the hell did I use to think this was super small??..."

adash · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2010, 11:47:49 PM »

Believe me or not, I enjoy shooting my Zenit 12xp soviet SLR camera more than E-P1. I have the Zenit for two moths already, and the E-P1 for eight, I never shot anything before I got my E-p1, but the impression is that the E-P1 is a toy, while the Zenit is the true photographic machine. Fully mechanical, uncoupled lightmeter, lousy choise of shutter speeds, very heavy, uncomfortable focusing screen, but more joy to use, more intuitive in it's limited ammount of functions and more sturdy in the hand. I would never give away my E-P1 however, since I could not carry the Zenit with me and a litthe automation helps from time to time

lisandra · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:23:51 AM »

Quote from: adash on July 29, 2010, 11:47:49 PM

Believe me or not, I enjoy shooting my Zenit 12xp soviet SLR camera more than E-P1. I have the Zenit for two moths already, and the E-P1 for eight, I never shot anything before I got my E-p1, but the impression is that the E-P1 is a toy, while the Zenit is the true photographic machine. Fully mechanical, uncoupled lightmeter, lousy choise of shutter speeds, very heavy, uncomfortable focusing screen, but more joy to use, more intuitive in it's limited ammount of functions and more sturdy in the hand. I would never give away my E-P1 however, since I could not carry the Zenit with me and a litthe automation helps from time to time

I get what you're saying, but the PEN sure puts size into perspective.
BTW, I got some reeeeally good stuff today...

adash · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:28:33 AM »

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BTW, I got some reeeeally good stuff today...

Nah, don't put us on hold anymore, do show some of your work!

Panther · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2010, 04:43:52 AM »

Guess I'm the odd one out again here.....

I enjoy shooting with my DSLR much more than I enjoy shooting with my PEN digital.....

As I stated elsewhere, for me, my PEN serves as a perfect "grab-n'-go" camera..

popo · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:39:22 AM »

I think people are over reading what Canon said. Or more precisely, what they didn't say. They said words to the effect if a high quality small camera is the objective, you don't necessarily need to ditch the mirror. They did not say they will keep the mirror, and they also did not say they will ditch the mirror. In short, they something and in the process said nothing.

At least in the couple years I've been seriously into photography, Canon have been pretty good at keeping their secrets to themselves. They haven't said anything useful on what they're doing. They will announce what they have when they're ready.

As much as I like the E-P1 in parts, there are significant weaknesses compared to even a budget DSLR. Until those are addressed, there will remain a gap in the market for someone to take.

adash · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:03:40 AM »

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Guess I'm the odd one out again here.....

I guess you're not.

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I enjoy shooting with my DSLR much more than I enjoy shooting with my PEN digital.....

As I stated above, I enjoy my film SLR more than I enjoy my E-P1, at least for the moment.

voyager · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:31:50 PM »

Quote from: Panther on July 30, 2010, 04:43:52 AM

Guess I'm the odd one out again here.....

I enjoy shooting with my DSLR much more than I enjoy shooting with my PEN digital.....

As I stated elsewhere, for me, my PEN serves as a perfect "grab-n'-go" camera..

It's going to be difficult to find a large following for that sort of thing on a PEN and Micro Four Thirds enthusiast forum.

Centauri27 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2010, 04:15:36 PM »

People sometimes lose sight of the fact that the PEN was never intended to replace the DSLR. It was designed to be a bridge camera: better than the best P&S, and able to hold its own against entry-to-medium level DSLRs. It'd be unreasonable to expect all DLRS owners to ditch their gear for a PEN.

Panther · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2010, 04:20:00 PM »

Quote from: adash on July 30, 2010, 10:03:40 AM

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Guess I'm the odd one out again here.....

I guess you're not.
Quote
I enjoy shooting with my DSLR much more than I enjoy shooting with my PEN digital.....

As I stated above, I enjoy my film SLR more than I enjoy my E-P1, at least for the moment.

Yes but I said DSLR

- That being said,
If you have a DSLR, do you enjoy that more than your PEN?

mikmas101 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2010, 05:23:05 PM »

Quote from: Centauri27 on July 30, 2010, 04:15:36 PM

People sometimes lose sight of the fact that the PEN was never intended to replace the DSLR. It was designed to be a bridge camera:

What people sometimes lose sight of is that for some (such as myself) the PEN is not a 'bridge camera' but the exact answer to what I really wanted when I stopped using my aged Pentax SV with the advent of digital.

DSLRs were never an answer for me - just ugly, bloated and overweight juggernauts (which for the most part they still are)

The E-P1 that I now use daily is not a 'bridge' - It's my camera. Simple. elegant, effective and fun.

Panther · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2010, 05:33:11 PM »

Quote from: mikmas101 on July 30, 2010, 05:23:05 PM

DSLRs were never an answer for me - just ugly, bloated and overweight juggernauts (which for the most part they still are)

Olympus apparently thinks different than you since they still make DSLRs.....

voyager · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2010, 06:12:43 PM »

Quote from: mikmas101 on July 30, 2010, 05:23:05 PM

Quote from: Centauri27 on July 30, 2010, 04:15:36 PM
People sometimes lose sight of the fact that the PEN was never intended to replace the DSLR. It was designed to be a bridge camera:

What people sometimes lose sight of is that for some (such as myself) the PEN is not a 'bridge camera' but the exact answer to what I really wanted when I stopped using my aged Pentax SV with the advent of digital.

DSLRs were never an answer for me - just ugly, bloated and overweight juggernauts (which for the most part they still are)

The E-P1 that I now use daily is not a 'bridge' - It's my camera. Simple. elegant, effective and fun.

Very well said.

cosinaphile · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:36:47 PM »

its all relative,there are quality point and shoots that can take great pics...but can be crippled at higher isos due to a tiny sensor, but many times they can get the job done and with great aploumb

the pens and the pannys using a m4\3 sensor is a tremendous step up from point and shoots giving higher isos with tolerable noise and finally use of creative dof with fast lenses..... but this incredible format does not make p&s pointless or inferior,

the aps-c...... a little better high iso ,and a little better dynamic range ,
but m4\3 and aps-c are in the same ballpark...aps-c does not trump with
much , they are pretty close quality, image quality wise

then full frame......then medium format..... , each outdoes the other in varying degrees , sometime almost imperceptibly, but the format do not invalidate each other , each niche survives because it essential to people who shoot .

how could it be otherwise?

lisandra · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:25:26 PM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on July 30, 2010, 08:36:47 PM

each niche survives because it essential to people who shoot .

how could it be otherwise?

and that, like you said, includes even point and shoots. Fighting over sensor size is pointless because they're all aimed at different needs, and thus they're all needed. Haven't some of you ever been blown away by a photo from a point and shoot?

voyager · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:26:25 PM »

Quote from: lisandra on July 30, 2010, 09:25:26 PM

Quote from: cosinaphile on July 30, 2010, 08:36:47 PM
each niche survives because it essential to people who shoot .

how could it be otherwise?

and that, like you said, includes even point and shoots. Fighting over sensor size is pointless because they're all aimed at different needs, and thus they're all needed. Haven't some of you ever been blown away by a photo from a point and shoot?

Indeed I have. But sensor size does come in to play sometimes. Besides, a forum wouldn't be much excitement if there wasn't any disagreement.

Toyuko · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:34:11 PM »

Canon will release a EVIL camera sooner or later $:-\$

cosinaphile · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:43:21 PM »

yes they will guaranteed

adash · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:55:19 PM »

Quote from: Toyuko on July 30, 2010, 10:34:11 PM

Canon will release a EVIL camera sooner or later $:-\$

OR they will reinvent the wheel and make a DSLR the size of Oly E-300.

adash · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2010, 11:08:32 PM »

Quote from: Panther on July 30, 2010, 04:20:00 PM

Quote from: adash on July 30, 2010, 10:03:40 AM
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Guess I'm the odd one out again here.....

I guess you're not.
Quote
I enjoy shooting with my DSLR much more than I enjoy shooting with my PEN digital.....

As I stated above, I enjoy my film SLR more than I enjoy my E-P1, at least for the moment.

Yes but I said DSLR - That being said,
If you have a DSLR, do you enjoy that more than your PEN?

I don't have a DSLR. I find it basically pointless. Advantages of DSLR over E-P1 might be:
- An additional point of contact at the eyebrow for better stability. That is easily offset by IS;
- Faster AF. E-P1 focuses quickly enough, and my Zenit 12xp is a pure manual focus fun. No point in having a dslr again, since they don't come with focusing aids anymore.
- Better high ISO performance due to the larger sensor. This is becoming more and more of an urban legend;
- Better manual control. This is controversial, since lower-class DSLRs don't come with many and many buttons and dials. Latest lenses don't have aperture lenses either. Both m4/3 and major DSLR brands. Full manual control is however implemented in my Zenit and many more film SLRs.
So, the idea is that the mirror had it's great time with film machines. Now it is becoming pointless. We saw several technology breakthroughs lately which will render it useless very soon.

Panther · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2010, 11:19:44 PM »

Quote from: adash on July 30, 2010, 11:08:32 PM

I don't have a DSLR. I find it basically pointless. Advantages of DSLR over E-P1 might be:
- An additional point of contact at the eyebrow for better stability. That is easily offset by IS;
- Faster AF. E-P1 focuses quickly enough, and my Zenit 12xp is a pure manual focus fun. No point in having a dslr again, since they don't come with focusing aids anymore.
- Better high ISO performance due to the larger sensor. This is becoming more and more of an urban legend;
- Better manual control. This is controversial, since lower-class DSLRs don't come with many and many buttons and dials. Latest lenses don't have aperture lenses either. Both m4/3 and major DSLR brands. Full manual control is however implemented in my Zenit and many more film SLRs.
So, the idea is that the mirror had it's great time with film machines. Now it is becoming pointless. We saw several technology breakthroughs lately which will render it useless very soon.

When I start to see an overwhelming large number of E-P1s at major sporting events & news events (out numbering DSLRs), then I might take your comment into consideration....But right now I apologize but I can't.....

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