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Offline rockrabbit

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Conversion Confusion!
« on: October 29, 2009, 07:33:54 AM »
Greetings one and all!

So very wonderful to have discovered this site during my research of micro four thirds.

I've pretty much decided that I will enter this universe shortly, but have a few questions that I hope one of you can answer.

Mostly, I plan to use two of my Leica M lenses with my (future) E-P1. I know I need an adapter, which seem to range for $80 on eBay up to $250!

My confusion comes in as follows; My one lens is 35mm... when placed onto the E-P1 does this mean I now have a effective 70mm lens?

Or do I still have a true 35mm?

New and Confused!

Thanks!

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 07:46:50 AM »
In a manner of speaking, you will have approximately the same field of view as a 70mm lens would have on your film camera. To get the 35mm field of view on the micro4/3 camera, you will need approximately a 17mm lens.

If you could take a 4/3 sensor, and place it smack-dab in the middle of a frame of 35mm film, this is what the sensor will pick up from your lens, hence the crop factor, that turns your 35mm lens into an effective 70mm one.

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 07:50:44 AM »
ok, so basically I just need to look at my collections and double everything!

yay, my 90 is now a 180!
boo, my 35 is now a 70!

oh well!

great glass, will have to find something in the 20mm region about some point!

but thank you.. this clears things up 100%

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 10:54:06 AM »
ok, so basically I just need to look at my collections and double everything!

yay, my 90 is now a 180!
boo, my 35 is now a 70!

oh well!

great glass, will have to find something in the 20mm region about some point!

but thank you.. this clears things up 100%

And the 17mm pancake (which comes with the E-P1 kit) is your new 35mm. So you will have a complete set of lenses.

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 05:19:39 PM »

And the 17mm pancake (which comes with the E-P1 kit) is your new 35mm. So you will have a complete set of lenses.

Another brilliant suggestion!

I love this place... love the concept behind Four Thirds!

This is so exciting!

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 05:42:51 AM »
ok, new confusion

chatting to pro photographer friend of mine and he pointed out to me that not only does a 50mm (35mm) lens become a 100mm (4/3) that you lose 2 F stops along the way too!

i.e. 50mm F2 is now 100mm F4

Any confirm, deny?

Thanks
« Last Edit: October 31, 2009, 05:48:01 AM by rockrabbit »

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 07:00:40 AM »
the pro photographer has given you bogus information ,

the angle of view changes only not the light transmission, no loss of f stops at all

your misinformed friend is probably  confusing the properties of the micro 4\3 system with those of teleconverters  for 35 mm that sit between lens and body to double focal length, these do lose light , 2 stops for for a 2X converter .  the apparent doubling of focal length for the ep-1 and the gf-1 is unrelated to this phenomenon .

when using  full frame lenses  it does not suffer light loss at all , in fact you are treated to the central sweet spot of full frame lenses , lense will perform better on m4\3 bodies than on full frame counterparts , at least optically  

if anything you will be getting more light as the light falloff at the edges of the full frame lenses and also loss of sharpness at the edges of full frame is not "seen"  by the image sensor of m4\3 cameras  that only use the central portion of the image circle cast by full frame lenses
« Last Edit: October 31, 2009, 07:03:35 AM by cosinaphile »

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 08:27:29 AM »
What your pro photographer is referring to is the depth of field you lose.  The same shot on m4/3 with a 40mm lens at f/1.4 will look like a shot you took on film with an 80mm lens at f/2.8.  The light gathered (and thus the shutter speed) is still the same as any f/1.4 lens on any format, but you will have two stops more depth of field because you will be twice as far away (for the same focal length lens) or be using a lens with half the focal length (if you stay in the same spot).

Also, to be  clear, the 2x is simply a means for you to compare field of view between the two camera formats. It does absolutely NOTHING to the focal length of the lens.  That is, your 35mm lens is still a 35mm lens on the E-P1...it just has the angle of view of a 70mm lens on full frame.
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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 08:36:03 AM »
I've looked up and down the interwebs for somebody who could do a better job of explaining it better than I. I may have finally found it. Here's a quote from the article:
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The 'crop factor' does affect the apparent depth of field of the taken image: with the magnification of 2, the DOF is effectively doubled (again, it is important to note that this perceived effect is due to the FOV 'crop'; the same depth of field is present, but you are viewing it at twice the magnification).
It is important to note that neither the light gathering ability of the lens, nor any of its traits are actually affected: a 50mm f2 lens on a 4/3rds body has the same f-stop and depth of field as a 50mm lens on a 35mm camera, but the 4/3rds sensor only records the equivalent field of view of a 100mm lens. As a general rule of thumb the depth of field of a lens is halved as its focal length is doubled (if the aperture remains constant). The end result is therefore that a 4/3rds camera has twice the depth of field as a 35mm camera with a lens covering the same field of view.
Returning to the above example, a 50mm f/2 OM lens used on a 4/3rds digital body is effectively equal to a 35mm camera with a 100mm lens set at f/4.


And the url to the article:
http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Micro_Four_Thirds

HTH.

To sort of give my own words to it. The 4/3 sensor only gathers the light from the center of the 35mm frame's area, so that is all you are getting. Your lens is still what it is, but it behaves differently on the m4/3 camera.

-Jon

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Re: Conversion Confusion!
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 08:45:39 AM »
Thank you one and all!

I should post the email he sent me explaining why the F changes!

I guess I'm going to copy and paste what is said here and get flamed from both directions!

I think the best thing for me to do now is head out to dealer and try this for myself!

The insights here are great!

Thanks again!

 

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