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Offline WheeE-P1

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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2011, 07:31:19 AM »

If you look at your Wedding Photo's, you'll see plenty of examples how you used the guidelines in your images that "Look Good".
What makes it pleasing is that in some form, there is structure to hold it together.
We just don't place the subject wherever we want. A lot of us call that "Framing" I would not tell anyone to NOT to  learn about basic guidelines, just as you would tell them to shoot what "Looks Good"... Same thing, you just say it differently.

I think you're talking about Lisandra's photos there. But maybe it's not too hard to make a guideline/rule fit after the event to find reasons for a picture being technically pleasing. Again, if somebody looks at one of my images and starts thinking like that I would probably feel I've "failed", perhaps because the content wasn't enough. If they say they like it but can't tell me why I'd actually consider that a win.

But I think you and I agree basically.

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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2011, 04:03:32 PM »
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Unless you know everything there is to know about everything that's always going to be the case.
Which is why I posted that I continuously keep educating myself. You cant know everything, but not knowing anything and pretending beautiful results will "come to you" by "natural talent" is just silly.
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Hopefully for anyone other than a pixel peeper/lens lover/camera coveter, it's the content.
This is right after saying:
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I like the E-P1 because it feels un-technical, like it disappears in my hands.  I didn't feel that at all with the GF1 or the GH1 when I had them, they felt like soul-less electronics.
You see the contradiction? You just basically said that you're a "camera coveter" right after criticizing it.
And if I am a gear coveter Im not gonna be ashamed of it. If I find gear that overcomes the limits of mine, Ill get it. M5-user has been limited by his G1s ability in low light for quite some time now. It has nothing to do with his talent, in fact he has to limit his talent to stuff under ISO 800.
I also dont mind being called a pixel peeper. Maybe in facebook and Flickr it doesn't matter but I sell prints and give out albums; two things that are unforgiving at a pixel level.
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they felt like soul-less electronics.
Now you really lost me, the gear has the soul? Your images look different depending on gear? aren't you repeatedly saying that gear is unimportant?
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Consider all the technically poor yet iconic photos from the past as examples.
Consider the fact that none of these have been done by amateurs without instruction, but rather by pros who fully know whats going on.
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Your happy place image is a great example of this - you love it because it's your happy place, some other people love it for other reasons, but to me it's a photo on the web with no relate-able content, beauty or interest.
I love it because it came out exactly like I planned and wanted it to look like, I like it because the clouds show the exact amount of movement I wanted, the photo shows the mix of serenity and passage of time I wanted and the the photo has the exact depth of field I wanted. Nothing on the photo was by chance. I consider it an achievement because many people have been amazed by it and ive sold quite the many copies of it. The photo itself is maybe a fraction of the place I call my happy place, still, I have an emotional attachment to everything I do.
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But the specific criteria for "good" are naturally going to vary from person to person based on their lives.
nope. If this were true the work from the masters wouldn't appeal to 97% of the people. If this were true museums would go out of business because only some people with specific experiences would like the art and the rest of the people would hate it. Art might not be for everyone, but artists have an ability to appeal to a broad populations emotions with just one painting, regardless what their experience has been. Thats not "by chance" either. What they did and their techniques are studied because they worked and continue to work today.
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I disagree that somebody with no rhythm will ever be able to match the competence of a great musician. That, to me, seems a silly and argumentative thing to say.
you have to be kidding, there are people on this very forum who have gone from not knowing what aperture means to producing (with instruction from other members no less...) masterfully beautiful things. Based on what you're saying, you're either born with the talent for photography or you should drop the camera right now. And that, is silly and argumentative.
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But maybe it's not too hard to make a guideline/rule fit after the event to find reasons for a picture being technically pleasing.
It might be the case for some people and even me in some instances, but mostly I am fully aware of what Im doing and why.
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I've seen rules/guidelines/whatever make a relatively creative person produce clinical, rule-following work which, to me, isn't interesting at all. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I abhor studio portraits, they mostly just look technical and cold - akin to live corpse capturing, for want of a better expression - and that's about as far away from emotion as you can get.
all of this happens to appeal and emote the majority of people, and they happen to pay good money for it too.
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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2011, 04:06:38 PM »
please link to the happy place photo  :)

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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2011, 06:25:51 PM »
The photo
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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2011, 10:34:22 AM »
OK Lisandra. It seems no amount of explaining and re-explaining is going to get through to you. But it really doesn't matter because you weren't the intended audience.

I seem to have rubbed you up the wrong way and for that I apologise.

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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2011, 10:48:15 AM »
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I seem to have rubbed you up the wrong way and for that I apologise.
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You didn't, I like u actually. There's nothing wrong with defending your point to the death, as long as you bring arguments to the table. And the people here just love it. It makes voyager nervous. I've been proven wrong before right here, but not before some intense discussion on the subject.
Let's go have a beer next week ;)
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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2011, 03:33:04 PM »
I think a lot of the better photographers/cinematographers/videographers/directors pay more attention to painting and other 2 dimensional arts than what other photographers/videographers/cinematographers/directors are doing. With someone like Akira Kurosawa the dividing line between painting and film making was very thin indeed (Kurosawa reportedly hand painted watercolor storyboards for his films).

But looking at the inspirations for others often leads to new insights-probably because of my exposure to Kurosawa's films I find  the composition and perspective of classic Japanese prints an inexhaustable source of ideas.
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." -voltaire

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Re: I need a good read about composition.
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2011, 06:24:53 PM »
its ominous , and the clouds do suggest time passing,
i thisnk v-ger is on to something  ;)

 

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